6.0L Power Stroke Engine and DrivetrainDiscussion of the 6.0L Power Stroke diesel engine and drivetrain in the 2003-Up Super Duties and Excursions. No gas engine discussion allowed except on transmissions and drivetrain that pertain to all models. Please confine discussion of topics in this forum to those items that are specific to the 6.0L Power Stroke engine.
I am an Amsoil dealer. I will use their Severe Gear 75-90 in the diff and will use their synthetic ATF in my 6-speed trans. I will, however use Schaeffers synthetic in the expensive 6.0 engine with a bypass filter. I also use their greases and their Motorcycle oil in my pricey Triumph r3 2.3 liter motorcycle......
I just love these oil threads....
Ya know folks, ALL oil OEM's use smoke & mirrors of one kind or another. Even the mighty Mobil One people do it. Don't think so? Those with a DVR, record the M1 commercial about 7500 miles, then go back and read the tiny print they flash by us. Its there..... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
As to Amsoil, its one of the best "Synthetic" oils out there. The term Synthetic is highly misused today so people should study up on what's really in the plastic bottles.
Will Amsoil "certify" the 5w30 series 3000? Why, it exceeds every Ford / IH oil spec out today for the 6.0 by alot. The current certification process IMHO is nothing more than an oil industry controlled means to limit market share growth of the little guys.
And btw, Ford will not have an issue with warrantee regarding a synthetic ( group IV )lubricant. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
The benefits of using a bypass filter are well documented with 30+ yrs of undeniable proof. The vast majority of C8 trucks today are using one for good reason.
After all the BS marketing has been tossed around, nothing means a flip except the oil analsys reports. For those interested in the real truth, try sending a sample of your favorite oil in after 3K or so miles.
Wekiwa
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2005 F250 CC SB 4x4 6.0 auto
Banks Big Hoss & K&N air kit & Xcal2 tuned.
Reg Return system with slighty larger injectors
A little turbo tweaking
Modified V-pipe and up-pipe assemble
Ceramic coated most stuff
Bypass oil filter kit
Black on Black
I have been using AMSOIL in my old IDI 7.3, and I remember when I made the switch from shell rottella to 15w40 Amsoil, in the morning
here in Miami FL its warm, and upon start up I had to wait about 5 min before I could drive off, cause the engine was noisy and was tight, like it didnt want to rev up past 750 rpm before about a 5 min warm up, after 10 min then it would seem fine and accelarate fine.
remember I said warm? cant imagine if I lived in canada. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]
as soon as I added Amsoil 15w40 that lil morning issue disappered all together, I was pleased that had stopped, that was 5 yrs ago, I run Amsoil still in every thing I own even my parents cars, lawn mower, weed eater, chain saw, my jet ski, whatever burns diesel or gas gets Amsoil.
I use the transmission fluid Universal ATF, lifetime fill rear gear lube, I trust this company I use this company and will continue to use thier products, All AMERICAN Company here [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img]
With my truck I run Amsoil series 3000 5w30 diesel with Amsoil dual filter element and bypass filter and im pleased with this product,
every 12k I change the full flow filter and cut it open and inspect
it and since I have been using this oil I havent seen any metal worth
worring about in my filters, very impressed with AMSOIL here [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
Im not one here to say this company is a snake oil, anyone who says that most likely hasnt ever used this product and shouldnt voice thier useless opinion, what a waste of time to post garbage. thats what made me spend time to reply to the ones here who DONT HAVE A CLUE
JAVIER
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1988 F250 dually 7.3 IDI Banks Sidewinder C-6 with GearVendors overdrive 3.55 ring gear
Amsoil 5w30HDD with full flow / bypass filters,
Evans coolant and Amsoil conical air filter.
AMSOIL ATF in the transmission, AMSOIL gear oil in the diff.
20MPG city 25/28 hwy
Point is...if wear levels are actually ok even w/shearing, seems normal long life for 6L is looking better, compared to early days when "shearing" was first noted/talked about. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]
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Just from my own OA reports (with can be viewed at the below link) wear levels have been just fine. According to Blackstone, UA for iron are around 14ppm. My oil comes in under that number. Other wear elements are below baseline too. But then again, I change my oil every 3K and filter every 6K. I'm currently doing a lot more stop and go driving so I consider that when it comes to changing my oil/fuel mixture in the crank case. Fuel dilution % is higher in the Winter then Summer months, for the most part. My spreadsheet doesn't show it yet, but my last OA was at 38,447 miles July 14, 05. Fuel was <0.5% (a rarity) iron was 4ppm and viscosity was just starting to hit the lower limit at 69.0 SUS. That was with about 1,500 miles on the oil. I didn't change to oil, I just pulled a sample and had it tested.
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2003 F-350 Lariat CC/6.0L Diesel/TorqShift/3.73/FX4/SRW/Dark Shadow Gray.
Born on date: Jan 20, 2003
Number of reflashes done: 2 (05E15 Jan 8, 2007)
Number of C94 injectors replaced: 0
Number of times the EGR valve has been replaced/cleaned: 0 (updated: 4/15/2010)
This is what I was saying earlier. A blend by its very name is NOT a Sythetic oil. Some history- Castrol & Mobil sued each other over the marketing rights of what makes a Systhetic "real". Mobil lost and now we have people marketing a blend of very little "man-made" if any base stocks and or additive packages. Royal Purple is one that blurs the lines alot. The additive package is pretty good but the base stock is mostly dino juice.
If fact there are only a hand full of true Synthetic oils available that out perform everyone else.
Mobile One & GM figured out they could avoid most of the BS by stating the engine warrante is valid with M1.
Oh what a marketing mess we have these days.......
Wekiwa
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2005 F250 CC SB 4x4 6.0 auto
Banks Big Hoss & K&N air kit & Xcal2 tuned.
Reg Return system with slighty larger injectors
A little turbo tweaking
Modified V-pipe and up-pipe assemble
Ceramic coated most stuff
Bypass oil filter kit
Black on Black
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Personally, I would not want the potential waranty risk by using a non-API certified oil in an already oil sensitive engine.
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What warranty risk? Unless you have a different warrant book that I do, no where can it be found that the oil must carry API cert. If an oil that has the cert is what makes you feel more comfortable, I can understand that and that's your choice. However, to imply that a warranty claim is at risk is unfounded promotion of fear; misinformation. It is a recomendation by Ford in compliance with federal warranty regulations.
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You see truth, I see smoke and mirrors. I hope you have continued good luck with their product.
Safe trucking.
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I'm certainly not trying to call you out or belittle anyone as others obviously feel the same as you, but who is responsible for their comprehension of written material besides the person reading it? If you misunderstand what's written, or maybe some are even insecure and believe the company is playing on what they feel is a lack of knowledge or ability to read and comprehend the words, but the words are clear and do not misrepresent anything. Their claim is that the oil meets the specified API requirement. It's that simple and straight forward; there are no mirrors or smoke.
I'll repeat what I said earlier as well, I'm not saying Amsoil is the best oil for the 6.0. I'm currently using it, but based on my experience wiht shearing so far and the cost, I'm likely going to be using something else. I'm just trying to clear up misinformation or what could be called irresponsible commentary, which in it's presentation is in fact uninformed non-truth as opposed to the whole Amsoil API issue which is clear, truthful and in writing.
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Wonderfull 1st post. Welcome, Amsoil dealer. Let us know when its fully legit. And save your anger and garbage reply for when its actually fully legit. You know, when its gone thru all the same testing as Rotella and Delvac.But no reply before, o.k.? Because it will be useless garbage. Like your 1st post. This crap means nothing to most of us until it has passed all the tests. And Amsoil has not. And you know it. Now post your crap elsewhere, poser.
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amsoil is snake oil? amsoil was the first synthetic on the market. since 1973. my local auto parts store sells the full line of amsoil and they givew me the amsoil prefered customer price. i have used amsoil in everthing i own since 73 with outstanding results. i go for 30,000 mile oil changes in the 04 6.0,,same as the 7.3 turbo..the 7.3 used 1 qt. every 2500 miles. so far, the 6.0 hasent used any in the first 10,000 miles. ford must have tightenend up the rings. i wouldnt be affraid to use any of the 100% synthetic lubes out there.
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Some history- Castrol & Mobil sued each other over the marketing rights of what makes a Systhetic "real".
Wekiwa
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Mobil sued Castrol over the definition of synthetic and lost. This enabled Castrol to market its non PAO oil as synthetic. Many other refiners followed Castrol and slapped "synthetic" on their previously non syntheic labels.
I called Shell to ask if Rotella synthetic was a PAO and the representative said he could not discuss Shell's oil formula. I told him I wasn't asking for the formula, but merely whether Shell Rotella was a PAO. He categorically refused to answer.
I went to the Mobil distributor and bought Mobil Delvac 1.
__________________ Stan
2005 F250 4X4 SD R/C Power Stroke / Torqshift
Oxford White, Medium Flint 40/20/40 Vinyl, Prefered Equip. Pkg. 600A , 3.73, Limited Slip, XL Decor Pkg., Jeweled Headlamps, Chrome Rear Step Bumper, 9600# GVWR Pkg., Engine Block Heater, Sliding Rear Window, Speed Control / Tilt Wheel, Camper Pkg., FX4 Pkg., Air Conditioning, Forged Aluminum Wheels-17", Tow Command, Telescoping TT Mirrors. Using this vehicle to produce an ambulance voids Ford warranty. Added: Ford factory upfitter switches, Go Industries Rancher Grill Guard (hammered powdercoat), Hella 4000 Rallye lighting (two Euro Beams), SnugTop Super Sport camper shell, Jotto Desk & Escort Redline Radar/Lidar Detector.
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2004 EB Excursion, 4x4, 6.0, Magnaflow Exhaust, Isspro Gauges in an under cubby pod, Fumoto, V code front springs, Revo 285's and bubba lights
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