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Excessive blue smoke on cold start - Most likely cause(s)?

Most likely cause(s)?
Blue smoke from tailpipe on cold start started about one month ago. Engine starts quickly and runs smoothly at all RPM's. The blue smoke will continue until the engine warms up and then goes away under all conditions. There is no blue smoke on a warm engine start even when sitting for as many as 4 hours. Using a mix of Delo Synthetic 5W40 (1/3) and Delo Dino 15W40 (2/3) and just changed oil and filter(Fram/Racor) on Sunday. Oil Pressure is good(75 PSI on start/60 PSI warm). There is no oil residue at the exhaust tailpipe. I am not talking about a little blue smoke, but a significant cloud.

Truck has 121k miles and is pretty much stock as from the factory. Usage is a mix of highway non-towing (60%) and towing a 24' 5th wheel (40%).

I have read a lot of threads here, and there seems to be a number of different root causes(except all are oil related) that result in blue smoke, but most involve a hard start and/or poorly running engine.

Thoughts, questions, comments, opinions?

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I would be curious to see what the valve seals look like. Are you adding oil in between oil changes? How much oil?

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No oil added between changes. I got 13 quarts out when I changed the oil this past weekend. That was going 11 months since the last O&F change. The truck is not a daily driver.
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Are you adding oil in between oil changes? How much oil?

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Blue smoke is burning oil and it doesn't take much to do it. I'd look at the turbo seals first since it goes away when the engine is hot.
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Thank you, after researching the turbo seal, I think that is the most likely cause. I have an Autoenginuity PC03 scan tool that should be here today or tomorrow. It likely won't identify a center seal leak in the turbo, but should be able to diagnose if the injectors could be at fault.

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I'd look at the turbo seals first since it goes away when the engine is hot.

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P0299 Code

Scanner arrived today, and it indicates a P0299 DTC. Does not trigger the CEL, but shows an MIL "pending". I have a Ford extended warranty that is good until next April, so have an appointment at the dealer for next Tuesday. I have a recommendation from another tech (not at that dealership) on the Ford dealer diesel tech that says he is excellent.

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assuming it is oil, if you are not adding between oil changes, it is not enough to make it worth spending 1 penny fixing. you could try running the "archoil/evergreen" fuel and oil additives. they seem to improve nearly every 6.0 that they have been tried in.
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I have had the cloud of Blue smoke on start up for a while now. Hasn'
t seem to affected anything and goes away when the truck warms up. My truck has close to 300Km on it though..

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My blue smoke issue cleared up after repairing the FICM. It's cheap to do and well worth the effort.
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The root cause of the blue smoke on cold start in this situation was contaminated fuel. Most likely from a fuel up, but since I had used 3 different locations since this started, it can't be pinpointed. Had two injectors clogged, but when everything was cleaned up, they "came back to life". Lesson learned........... replace your fuel filters every 3 oil changes.

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Scanner arrived today, and it indicates a P0299 DTC. Does not trigger the CEL, but shows an MIL "pending". I have a Ford extended warranty that is good until next April, so have an appointment at the dealer for next Tuesday. I have a recommendation from another tech (not at that dealership) on the Ford dealer diesel tech that says he is excellent.

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How did they get cleaned up? Were they removed and cleaned or did you use an additive? I am dealing with possible clogged injector/injectors and trying to use Hot Shot Secret. Thanks
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hotshot is an oil additive, camel stated he had a fuel problem. HS won't do a single thing for that couldn't be done better by peeing upwind. HS may help if YOU have an oil side issue, but without more details we can only guess
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