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Old 09-08-2010, 12:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Is it the Camshaft position Sensor that is bad?

I have a 04 F250 with the 6.0 in it. It is eating up the fuel and the truck will surge at times. The rpms will go up to 1000 or higher and stay that way. If i turn the truck off, it will go back to normal for a while. It is running a little rought. I took it to a shop and they plugged it in and said it had low fuel pressure, which can be dirty fuel filters, camshaft Position Sensor, Crankshaft Position Sensor, Injection pressure Sensor or the Map Sensor Hose. Didn't tell me very much, except alot of checking. I have changed the fuel filters. I see that the Camshaft position sensor is a little bit of work to get to on this engine. Where to start?
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Every single Ford diesel I have owned has had the cam timing sensor go out ... but every time, it shut down and had to be towed. Doubt if this helps ... but that is my experience with cam timing sensors.
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Another guys on here is having the same problem it sounds like. I replaced my cps and havent had any problems since, someone on the other post said it could also be the icp... just a thought.
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Old 09-08-2010, 09:27 PM   #4 (permalink)
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well i just took my truck in for some work under warranty. it was runnin rough. threw codes for two injectors cam and crank sensor...idk whats up with it
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Old 09-09-2010, 12:36 PM   #5 (permalink)
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The camshaft position sensor on a 6.0L is pretty reliable. Your issue sounds more like the ICP sensor. Is your ICP behind the turbo or on the passenger valve cover?
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hmmmm to me it sounds like they are guessing. low fuel pressure would be either plugged filters or buggered pump from running with plugged filters for too long. i can't see how all the crap has anything to do with low F.P.
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The 6.0 is not like the 7.3 that had a problematic CPS. The 6.0 uses two different sensors and it compares them so a "CPS problem" is very rare. I would take a run at what Bismic said. It sounds most logical and you can change the ICP yourself. It looks like a spark plug sticking out the center of the valve cover on the passenger side. Good luck let us know if it worked out for you.
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I took my truck in and had them hook it up, it is the ICP sensor. That was the easy part, I buy the sensor and go home to put it on. That is the tricky part. For a 2004 F250 6.0 engine, the sensor can be in one of two places, which I did not know. The mechanic I went to and had the code reader hooked up told me the ICP sensor was where my EGR sensor was. So I take off the EGR sensor believing it is the ICP sensor, they look alike and have the same three wires coming out of them and same wire hook up, but different thread, the EGR has fine thread and the ICP have course threads. So back to the Ford store to check on the part and find out why they do not match. Ford gives me a 2004 sensor diagram for my truck, and I found out I pulled out the EGR sensor. Problem number 2, they give the diagram for the 2004 engine, not the 2003, so I am looking for an ICP sensor and it is not there. That is when I found out about the sticker on the valve cover. If you look on the passenger side valve cover you have a sticker that is either red or blue. Red means the engine is a 2003 engine and the sensor in under the turbo and some work to get to it. If the sticker is blue, you have a 2004 engine and the sensor is on the passenger valve cover area. I have the red sticker, so I could not get the part changed out yet. Thank you for all the information has been a lot of help.
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I took my truck in and had them hook it up, it is the ICP sensor. That was the easy part, I buy the sensor and go home to put it on. That is the tricky part. For a 2004 F250 6.0 engine, the sensor can be in one of two places, which I did not know.
Hmmm - I covered that in post #5, and so did RockDoctor.

Lots of posts around on on how to change out the ICP (2003) that is behind the turbo. I can post links to the instructions and I can even post pics.

Are you interested in them???
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please post links on changing the icp sensor I got a 2003 f-250 6.0 that wont start died while I was coming to a stop light had to be towed home
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How to replace early ICP - with pictures
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hmmmm to me it sounds like they are guessing. low fuel pressure would be either plugged filters or buggered pump from running with plugged filters for too long. i can't see how all the crap has anything to do with low F.P.
Low Fuel Pressure Causes:
Clogged Fuel return lines
Low Battery output
Alternator/Regulator/Pig Tails
Fuel Injection Control Module low output
Injection Pressure Control
Injection Pressure Regulator
Weak Fuel pump
Collapsed Fuel Filter

My best guess from the lack of other symptoms you are experiencing a weak Fuel Pressure Regulator Spring on the side of the Fuel Filter Housing. Let us know if you figure it out!!
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please post links on changing the icp sensor I got a 2003 f-250 6.0 that wont start died while I was coming to a stop light had to be towed home

Your problem sounds like an IPR Vavle.
You can completely disconnect the ICP Sensor (good or bad)and your truck will still run. Why?.. Your truck after disconnecting the ICP will send a default code to the ECM to adjust your IPR to 15% open (that is if your IPR doesn't have Debris (IPR Screen) in it or any other failure reasons like exposure to heat (missing foil clasping and button)* The IPR is what sends fuel to Injectors via HPOP based off what the ICP tells the ECM to report to the PCM. The PCM will then set the IPR's Open/Closed percent ranges of %15-%85.
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With an '03 what it takes to get to the ICP sensor you might as well change it out rather then just unplug it to see what happens. And to do that you should be OK doing mechanical work and very familiar with this motor or you'll be having repairs done to your repairs.
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I HAVE 2004 FORD 350 SUPER DUTY YOU BE GOING DOWN THE ROAD AND IT SHUTS DOWN TEN WILL START BACK UP AND RUN FINE TILLIT DOES THE SAME THING
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