6.0L Power Stroke Engine and DrivetrainDiscussion of the 6.0L Power Stroke diesel engine and drivetrain in the 2003-Up Super-Duties and Excursions. No gas engine discussion allowed except on transmissions and drivetrain that pertain to all models. Please confine discussion of topics in this forum to those items that are specific to the 6.0L Power Stroke engine.
Here's my .02 cents. Catastrophic failures happen. On a 6.0L, with that low of a mileage I'd say it's a manufacture's defect. Maybe a crack in a rod, piston, ect. I've seen rods hanging out the sides of E-Series anywhere from 150 miles to 8,000 miles on them. The only way to know for sure is to tear down BUT THAT IS NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY FINANCIALLY! It's covered under the 5 year/100k mile power train warranty, no if's and or but's about it. The only thing they could try to ding you on is maintance. When was the last time you changed your oil? I did a quick search through the owner's manual and they recommend an oil change every 5k miles, I could not find a time frame. For severe duty applications it's 3k/3 months, but that does not apply to you. How far up the food chain have you gotten? Are you just talking to the service manager or do you have Ford Customer Service involved? Sounds to me that the dealer A. Does not have a lot of diesel experience. B. Do not want to put an engine assembly in a E-Series. C. Do not want to put an engine assembly in an E-Series that is a Motorhome. D. Want to try to point the finger at you and make you incur the costs to repair. If the dealer told you "Ford said it's a no go" then I suggest you get a lawyer. Call the dealer, tell them you want the service manager, service writer, technician involved, dealer principal, and local field service engineer present for a conference call with them, yourself, and your lawyer. Might want to look into your local lemon laws also.
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S19..apparently shop in Mindenhall can do everything BUT actual eng. repair. Does that mean this shop can do OTHER repairs which are covered/authorized under your fmc warr.? Unless you got plenty patience & $$$$ you might be better off if you can find another engine locally that will work in your rig. Good luck on what ever u decide.
steve back in 2003 my dad bought a 2003 f550 6.0 dump truck with in the first week it gave major problems went back to ford 3to4 times in 2 month period he (MYDAD)tried to claim lemon law but before he could the truck burnt 2 the ground the insurance company took ford to court cause they didnt want to pay ford they felt it was fords problem i dont know what happened he (my dad) was not dragged to court so we dont know who payed who but it was hell for my dad to get 7or8grand back that he put down on the truck the truck was really f up 1000miles we shut it off pulled the key out it was still running on oil being injected from a burnt turbo so much for buying new it also f up a lot of jobs that he broke down heading to in the morning i could go on n on but i have a 03 excursion 6.0 with no problems 75thousand on the clock its just the luck of the draw
I wonder if that fact it was not regularly driven lead to the failure. I bet you will find a bad injector over fueled overheating the piston which then melted... As the liquid aluminum dropped into the oil pan started burning the oil. There are not many cases of this but a few where injectors went bad which did in turn melted a piston.
I meant to take pictures of the engine as it is pulled apart. I suspect in the end they will take care of it but since you are not in the US they likely will drag their feet on it. Major repairs generally take an Ok from Ford and International. Since they both are sharing warranty costs for the 6.0 it does slow down the paperwork.
Here's my .02 cents. Catastrophic failures happen. On a 6.0L, with that low of a mileage I'd say it's a manufacture's defect. Maybe a crack in a rod, piston, ect. I've seen rods hanging out the sides of E-Series anywhere from 150 miles to 8,000 miles on them. The only way to know for sure is to tear down BUT THAT IS NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY FINANCIALLY! It's covered under the 5 year/100k mile power train warranty, no if's and or but's about it. The only thing they could try to ding you on is maintance. When was the last time you changed your oil? I did a quick search through the owner's manual and they recommend an oil change every 5k miles, I could not find a time frame. For severe duty applications it's 3k/3 months, but that does not apply to you. How far up the food chain have you gotten? Are you just talking to the service manager or do you have Ford Customer Service involved? Sounds to me that the dealer A. Does not have a lot of diesel experience. B. Do not want to put an engine assembly in a E-Series. C. Do not want to put an engine assembly in an E-Series that is a Motorhome. D. Want to try to point the finger at you and make you incur the costs to repair. If the dealer told you "Ford said it's a no go" then I suggest you get a lawyer. Call the dealer, tell them you want the service manager, service writer, technician involved, dealer principal, and local field service engineer present for a conference call with them, yourself, and your lawyer. Might want to look into your local lemon laws also.
They have said the warranty is valid.so hopefully in time someone will sort it out, its just frustrating . If I had bought any European model it would have been fixed in no time.
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FEBRUARY 2004 F350 CREW DUALLY,50K, 6.0L/6 SPEED/3.73/2WD,
EGR SPOOL, INSULATED WRAP CAC,BUTTERFLY DELETE,ACCUFAB INLET ELBOW,MUFF TUBE,BED COVER,BREATHER VENT MOD,OB1308 BY-PASS FILTER BASE,velvet ride shackles, tranny cooler/filter,COOLANT FILTER,redline wetterbetter,1704A SUPERCHIP, 22MPG EMPTY @ 55MPH in cruise. Last fill up calculated @ 18mpg Hobbies- sticking my head out the window like a dog
Offered to ship it back from Liverpool(10 miles away) got reasonable price for shipping both ways. Ford wont commit themselves to the warranty (that they have already put in writing) that we have. With their present attitude would you pay and send your truck 3000 miles where its out of your control with no firm agreement?
Steve
Can anyone recommend an American Lawyer who has dealt with Fords over this problem before?
Steve
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FEBRUARY 2004 F350 CREW DUALLY,50K, 6.0L/6 SPEED/3.73/2WD,
EGR SPOOL, INSULATED WRAP CAC,BUTTERFLY DELETE,ACCUFAB INLET ELBOW,MUFF TUBE,BED COVER,BREATHER VENT MOD,OB1308 BY-PASS FILTER BASE,velvet ride shackles, tranny cooler/filter,COOLANT FILTER,redline wetterbetter,1704A SUPERCHIP, 22MPG EMPTY @ 55MPH in cruise. Last fill up calculated @ 18mpg Hobbies- sticking my head out the window like a dog
Last edited by pigsbreath : 11-06-2009 at 11:23 AM.
S19..apparently shop in Mindenhall can do everything BUT actual eng. repair. Does that mean this shop can do OTHER repairs which are covered/authorized under your fmc warr.? Unless you got plenty patience & $$$$ you might be better off if you can find another engine locally that will work in your rig. Good luck on what ever u decide.
Correct-The guys at Mildenhall will not rebuild the engine but are willing to change it for a new one. (They are near a big American airbase and have been working on Yank cars,trucks for ages) Apperently Ford USA are familiar with them and because there are no Ford dealers in Uk for these engines are happy that this outfit do the job. The six million dollar question is though -Who Pays? Until Fords speak up we cant afford to finance the job ourselves.
[quote=rock_doctor;1803845]I wonder if that fact it was not regularly driven lead to the failure. I bet you will find a bad injector over fueled overheating the piston which then melted... As the liquid aluminum dropped into the oil pan started burning the oil. There are not many cases of this but a few where injectors went bad which did in turn melted a piston.
I meant to take pictures of the engine as it is pulled apart. I suspect in the end they will take care of it but since you are not in the US they likely will drag their feet on it. Major repairs generally take an Ok from Ford and International. Since they both are sharing warranty costs for the 6.0 it does slow down the paperwork...................and don't forget the oil was (3 year's old) quote,.............The engine let go in the South of France with 5800 miles total on the clock (before it had even reached the first service!)This on a 2006 model RV,now sometime's you will find a motorhome where the date of MFG of the RV is a year NEWER than the running gear the coach sit's on!!!!,the oil could be as much as (4 year's old) ,and he said it was driven 2000 mile's in the US before i would guess being put on a ship for the trip to England and then being driven 3800 more mile's on 3 or 4 year old oil ,could this be an oil break down related issue.
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looked it up ....Fear , uncertainty and disinformation.
That place is a Internet coat tail rider, with his so called expertise and knowledge of International engines, Would I trust his Knowledge and so-called expertise on these engine's ??? Not a Freakin chance
I wonder if that fact it was not regularly driven lead to the failure. I bet you will find a bad injector over fueled overheating the piston which then melted... As the liquid aluminum dropped into the oil pan started burning the oil. There are not many cases of this but a few where injectors went bad which did in turn melted a piston.
I meant to take pictures of the engine as it is pulled apart. I suspect in the end they will take care of it but since you are not in the US they likely will drag their feet on it. Major repairs generally take an Ok from Ford and International. Since they both are sharing warranty costs for the 6.0 it does slow down the paperwork...................and don't forget the oil was (3 year's old) quote,.............The engine let go in the South of France with 5800 miles total on the clock (before it had even reached the first service!)This on a 2006 model RV,now sometime's you will find a motorhome where the date of MFG of the RV is a year NEWER than the running gear the coach sit's on!!!!,the oil could be as much as (4 year's old) ,and he said it was driven 2000 mile's in the US before i would guess being put on a ship for the trip to England and then being driven 3800 more mile's on 3 or 4 year old oil ,could this be an oil break down related issue.
Thanks for that-just checked -the oil was changed at 3000 miles as it wasnt getting much use.
Checked the manufactures plate, it was only made a few months before it was registered so its not old stock.
Still looking for contacts to a good lawyer. There must be a few over in the USA who have dealings over this problem in the past
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