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6.0L Power Stroke Engine and Drivetrain Discussion of the 6.0L Power Stroke diesel engine and drivetrain in the 2003-Up Super Duties and Excursions. No gas engine discussion allowed except on transmissions and drivetrain that pertain to all models. Please confine discussion of topics in this forum to those items that are specific to the 6.0L Power Stroke engine.

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Old 11-25-2009, 11:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Wonder if anyone has had trouble with their charging system? My 05 Ex 6.0 alternator is putting out only 12.3v (bat terminal to neg.battery post). So with running lights and heater fan etc. running the batteries are discharging. Pretty soon they are low enough the truck won't start.

Bad alternator? How do you loosen the serpentine belt anyway?

Or bad voltage regulator? Is this the silver rectangular box mounted on the side of the engine blow the alternator?

Or other ideas?
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Wonder if anyone has had trouble with their charging system? My 05 Ex 6.0 alternator is putting out only 12.3v (bat terminal to neg.battery post). So with running lights and heater fan etc. running the batteries are discharging. Pretty soon they are low enough the truck won't start.

Bad alternator? How do you loosen the serpentine belt anyway?

Or bad voltage regulator? Is this the silver rectangular box mounted on the side of the engine blow the alternator?

Or other ideas?
Probably a bad alternator... IIRC, the regulator is internal on the alternator. And no, that box is your Glow Plug Control Moduel (GPCM)..
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Old 11-25-2009, 11:51 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Thanks for that - bad alternator seems likely - so how do I loosen the belt to get the alternator off?

What looks to me like the tensioner is almost straight down from the alternator but darned if I can get a flex handle on it to move it. Great big shroud in the way...

Or am I missing something simple looking for the hard way to do it?
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Voltage Regulator

I had a flickering charge light for a few weeks a while back (that I stupidly ignored) which eventually resulted in flat batteries and me stranded aways from home on a holiday weekend! Buddy brought me new Die Hards to get me home. Long story short, dealer told me it would be under warranty and so should take it in. Told me VR failed but whole unit needs replacement. $800+ for alternator/voltage regulator and a week off the road in dealer's shop! Told me not covered under warranty after all so I had to pony up the dough.

Incidentally, I asked them to change the drive belt while they were at it but the supervisor told me his mechanic said, and I quote, 'it's a pain in the butt to swop out the drive belt so he'd rather not'. I couldn't believe my ears and just wanted to get my truck back by that point so didn't push it. I don't know if it is really difficult to replace the drive belt or not and would welcome input as I'd still like to do it (myself from now on!).
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Yea i like to find the engineer that designed the belt configuration and smack him... You have to search here and you will find relatively detailed direction on how to change the belt. It is a complicated process that requires an Olympic level gymnastics ability (and three arms and the ability to hover).... You can do it yourself but you do need directions.
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One other tip; Keep messing around with low voltages and you will take out the FICM. Another grand for procrastinating.
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Hi guys, my friend Jim and I addressed these very issues not long ago. Jim took his 05/6.0 Excursion in to his local mechanic to have all of his leaf springs changed and Bilstien shocks put on, he picked it up and drove to my house about 90 miles one way. We were doing some things at my house and I needed to go to the parts store, he wanted me to try out his new suspension, turn the key WTS, "cliiiick", dead Optimas less than a year old! Pulled off the ground cables and load tested both batteries, passenger side kaput, driver side okay but put on charge while we go exchange the dead one. New bat in, hook up grounds and fires right up but the alternator is only putting out about 12.8 volts, not enough to maintain the batteries. Back to the parts store, test alt guy says it is okay, we buy a new one anyway and put it on, 13.1 volts without anything but the engine running, not enough in my book, 13.6-14.2 is what I look for. A bit of research turns up Ford for whatever reason decided to put 60 amp alternators on everthing a long time ago, if you have one with a higher output it was ordered special like an ambulance or put on aftermarket. With a bit of reasoning for wattages I saw a way to solve the barely enough battery charge with a higher output alternator. A place local to Jim had a 200 amp alternator for a good price and we put it on with an extra charge cable (to carry the higher amperage) that a local stereo guy made for $10, problem solved. Now when driving after start up the voltage is up and as you drive the voltage varies very little.
The 6.0 belt is a major job to change, the tensioner has a "lock", to use it pull the belt up like you mean it and on the front of the tensioner is a small button to push in to lock,( ask to see one at you local parts store off the engine if it will make it easier for you to locate the button). The belt change will be easier if you have a lift as you need to work from the top and bottom, you can do it on the ground if you have 2 people one on top and one diver. The fan shroud is one of the biggest obstacles to deal with, it has the places to be cut but when Jims mechanic did it he did not use them.
Hope this helps.
Here is a 200 amp for a good price on ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290366769866&ssPageNam e=STRK:MEWAX:IT

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