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Noticed recently that I've got to wait at least 8-10 minutes of idling before my truck begins to idle right and have enough power to get out of it's own way. No changes on my end. This is with temps in the 60's overnight, so that shouldn't be a problem.
Any ideas?
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2003 F250 CC FX4
6.0 PSD, Torqueshift Tranny
3.73 Gears, Limited slip rear end
4" Procomp lift, 35" Cooper S/T's on 16x10 Centerline Hellcats
ebv or egr.most likely both.i hear about a new recall today to shut off the ep sensor in 03 and 04 6.0l to help solve these problems.maybe give a call to the dealer.good luck.
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Maybe you have plugged or plugging fuel filters and your motor is starved for fuel?
Check oil level and has it been changed recently... oil is used to fire injectors and low pressure or low viscosity oil is making for bad performance?
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66K miles
Fuel filters only have about 9K on them.
No difference after an oil change last week.
Once it warms up, like the needle just starting to move, it runs perfectly. If I plug it in, it cuts the time down significantly.
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I have an '03 with 66,000 miles and do not suffer like you are experiencing. Who did fuel filters (you or dealer)? Did problem ocurr before new fuel filters... or since they were changed? Possibly not seated correctly and air is getting in? Sounds like a new problem that's why I asked about fuel filters? Maybe picked up bad fuel and they are plugged???
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Noticed recently that I've got to wait at least 8-10 minutes of idling before my truck begins to idle right and have enough power to get out of it's own way. No changes on my end. This is with temps in the 60's overnight, so that shouldn't be a problem.
Any ideas?
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Aside from the usual suspects (bad ICP, EGR or EBP), what you are describing (running rough until warm, low power) are also symptoms of a bad injector(s). You may want to pay a visit to your dealer.
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I have two friends with the same problem and they were injectors. One of them a mechanic for international said that they will work fine when hot but after sitting all night in cooler temps they dont operate correctly. Also the dealer down the street said they changed 48 the week he had his in. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif[/img]
I have the same problem... very ruff idle when it starts no matter where I am and no power at all until it warms up. I am in Ohio but I was just in FL and had the same problems. Just called the dealer my truck is at for a high pressure oil seal problem and told them to look at that aswell.
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I have two friends with the same problem and they were injectors. One of them a mechanic for international said that they will work fine when hot but after sitting all night in cooler temps they dont operate correctly. Also the dealer down the street said they changed 48 the week he had his in. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif[/img]
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Maybe this is why the 6.4 is going to have piezo injectors. They figured it out!
I wonder if some after market company will design a replacement turbo and injector system for the 6.0 to convert it to piezo or other electronic servo type control. If so, I might spend a few grand on it.
Nate
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I wonder if some after market company will design a replacement turbo and injector system for the 6.0 to convert it to piezo or other electronic servo type control. If so, I might spend a few grand on it.
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It would be insanely difficult to convert to piezo injectors on a truck currently set up with HEUI injectors. The current injectors pressurize the fuel to spray it out the nozzle, by using oil pressure to ram a piston quickly. Piezo injectors just open a valve to let already-pressurized fuel escape through the nozzle into the cylinder.
So you're going to have to have some way to pressurize the fuel and pipe around the pressurized fuel... something that isn't currently on our trucks.
Obviously International "converted" the basic 6.0 engine to one that could use piezo injectors, but they had a bigger budget than you or I!
Duncan
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bear,
A new ICP cured my cold hearted truck. If it was below 55 degrees and I didn't plug it in, it was a smokin and rough idling son of a gun. Finally took it in at 99K and it is a completely different motor. Was worried about new flash but all seems well, hadn't been to the dealer for at least the 1 1/2 I have owned it.
The ICP also cured the surging at idle and a high surge when starting the truck when hot (3-4hr run).
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I have had the exact same problem. I had it in for the 06E17 recall today,and for the rough cold starting. Mine would start rough even if I left it in the shop (60*F) overnight. Personally talked to the tech (one of the best around) he said he has 6 trucks with the same problem, and Ford says they can do nothing about it, they suggested getting a timer for the block heater, run it for 3 hrs before startup [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] so what kind of a fix is that? He said this last recall is supposed to be Ford's last fix for the '03 engine. His (and Ford/ Navistar's) theory is the design of the '03 build heads. The only solution being to recall all the '03 build engines and install '04 builds with complete new electronic systems. We all know how likely that would be. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]
His thought was if the EPA got onto how much smoke these trucks make at start up, Ford would have to do something about it. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/phoney.gif[/img]
Anyway, found out later that my engine has 4 bad injectors! Only 11,000 on a Ford reman long block! And one of them was replaced a few months ago! I'm glad there is a warranty on this one... for now [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
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2003 Toreador Red/Arizona Beige CC, DRW, Lariat, FX4, 6.0 PSD, Torqshift, born early Feb. 03; AIC; Silverline turbo-back dual exhaust; 155cc injectors from Full Force Diesel (Casserly); SCT with tuning by Tony Wildman (Total Diesel Performance) & Innovative Diesel; ARP studs; Dfuser regulated return; AFE PG7; Fumoto valve; B&W hitch, Di-Pricol gauges; DIESELSITE Coolant filter; Timbrens; Rancho RSXs; Michelin XPS Traction's; a whole bunch of "bling"; Connex 4300hp; Pioneer DEH6100BT; JL Audio 275w amp driving a 12" sub; JL Audio 50wx4 amp driving the Alpine door and rear seat speakers. 380.3hp/786.7ft-lbs (on my tow tune!)
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