Huge change in mileage since service

[sticksnglue]

Went to the Amsoil web site and the reason I thought it wouldn't work is because it wasn't CI-4+ rated, looks like they got their rating since I looked last. But at $25 a gallon I still don't think I'd use it. The oil reports I get show that DELO 400 at $8 a gallon works great at 5000 to 6000 or so miles between changes, witch is about twice as long as I've ever run oil in any engine. Sorry but synthetic oils just don't get me as excited as some people. If I really needed that last 2 to 5% of performance, then ya I'd pour the expensive stuff in my race car, but for most regular applications it's making you feel good more than it's doing good for your engine, because 98+% of us just don't push our engines that hard.

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Went to the Amsoil web site and the reason I thought it wouldn't work is because it wasn't CI-4+ rated, looks like they got their rating since I looked last. But at $25 a gallon I still don't think I'd use it. The oil reports I get show that DELO 400 at $8 a gallon works great at 5000 to 6000 or so miles between changes, witch is about twice as long as I've ever run oil in any engine. Sorry but synthetic oils just don't get me as excited as some people. If I really needed that last 2 to 5% of performance, then ya I'd pour the expensive stuff in my race car, but for most regular applications it's making you feel good more than it's doing good for your engine, because 98+% of us just don't push our engines that hard.

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just cause you are so secure and comfertable changine oil often dosent mean there is something offered better to those willing to risk thier $25 a gallon oil on, cause that is the only risk, anyone that has a open mind and reads what Amsoil advertises, it is possible that what they advertised could be true.
after all they haven't changed thier advertising since 1972
if that 25,000 miles or one year oil change advertising wasn't true
then this company wouldn't of grown to what it is today, the only reason you dont feel that comfertable with the extended drain is you dont get to see a Amsoil oil commercial during football comercials with some celeberty pumping it, our brand is better than all the other brands of the same stuff"dino oils"

now I know you want some documented proof, you know I cant give you anything except for all my Amsoil purchases since 1999?

that wont be good enough, my use since 1997 with all my families/friends vehicles isn't good enough for you,
my increased fuel milage, quieter diesel engine, increased power, cleaner engine internals, no measurable wear on some of the engines I tore down, minimum machine work to repair, cooler oil temps both emgine/trans. thats not good enough.
it isnt good enough Amsoil only conducts buissness through individuals like me that use the products, and purchase them for resale.
thats just down right disrespectfull!
sorry I wasted your guys time [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]

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well I will look for written proof from shell, delo, shaffers, valvolene, or any other dino oil manufacture for diesel oil that is better than amsoil...
when I find it u will be first to know.
since any proof from amsoil isn't valid here.

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It's not that the proof isn't valid from Amsoil, it's that you are trying to prove what a really great oil Amsoil is only with claims from your buddies and the fact that you say it makes a person have a truck that goes from running marginal to running almost perfect.

Really all it would take is for you to post DOCUMENTED information backing up the claims you are providing in your posts. The other members have posted UOAs and such that show documented results with the particular brand of oil they are using. Hell, ALL the oil manufacturers will tell you that their oil is superior to all others, but that leaves the decision to the guy/gal purchasing the oil they want. I've had people tell me that Penzoil is the worst oil made and it made their engine bite the dust, but I've got a buddy (yea, I said a buddy) that went from Motorcraft to Penzoil in his 7.3, and he told me that his oil leaked stopped and his truck seems to run better b/c of just the oil change. I'm not going to go on an escapade trying to sell Penzoil to all those asking which oil is the best, as it's up to the person buying the oil to make that final decision. Personally I use Delo 400, and I use it b/c I've had good experiences with it in the past in the gassers that I've run it in. Like I said twice before, if Amsoil is such a wonderful oil, as YOU say, I'd be willing to try it, but you seem to keep avoiding that proposition, which to me doesn't help your cause any. I, as well as others here that probably wouldn't take the hicky just to "try" this miracle oil, am not going to spend all this extra money on this oil and setup, only to have it not show me any noticeable or recordable change in the performance and longevity of my truck. I'd rather spend money on maintenance that I know works and use any money left over for other things I need.

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thats funny you say the only proof i have is from buddies, seems to me this dieselstop.com site is where buddies get together to share experiences from our trucks, some really can use the help this site can generate, many good people here ready to help, and some here for other reasons.
Over the years I learned alot from dieselstop how to keep my truck on the road since I am the one who does all my repairs, I dont know it all never did never will, but with some things I learn whats best, I help people when they are ready, not a second sooner.
you can lead a horse to water...

what is this supposed to mean?
if Amsoil is such a wonderful oil, as YOU say, I'd be willing to try it, but you seem to keep avoiding that proposition, which to me doesn't help your cause any.

where are you going with that?

Ill wait for a response Im not sure what you meant

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out of all the parts on any vehicle oil is the one item that works the hardest and it is the cheapest item your vehicle requiers
next to gas, oil filters have the most important job, filter soot,cotaminates, fuel,water from the engine. natrually you would want the best filter you can find, the filter that can carry the most contaminates for a long period and still be able to flow freely is what we should be looking for. those filters are out there just not widely advertised, just wait and see GM will annouce EXTENDED DRAIN INTERVALS soon they already have 8k intervals and use Mobile1 oil in many of thier vehicles, bet ya Mobile1 paid them to use mobile1.

the facts are out there for ones who know what they are looking for
I have been able to understand my use of Amsoil products and it has helped my life for the better, just passing along the good information
if it is too good to be true then stay on the porch

[snoeproe]

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I am posting this question for my father, since he doesn't have an account here. He has a 05 F350 SC, DRW, FX4 6.0L/torqshift running the Edge Juice with Attitude. He uses the truck for a combination of daily driving and towing a 34' 5th wheel camper. The truck used to get 15-16mpg(when it was bone stock)but now since the reflash the truck gets around 12.5 mpg running empty (no matter what Edge program or stock)and 11ish mpg towing (which is not too bad, and no matter what program). With this being said, he doesn't "hot rod" the truck and drives it pretty easy, like most 62 year olds do. Ever since the truck got reflashed (do to a recall of some sort) the mileage with running empty just plain sucks, but towing the camper hasn't really changed!?!?!? How can this be??

He had the truck back to the dealership (where he bought the truck and also did the service) and they said that everything was ok and that was normal. Well how can it be normal when he was getting almost 16mpg and now will only get 12.5 at best?? He tried to get them to reflash the PCM again, but they wouldn't, since I am guessing that this is the problem, right??

So lets hear your thoughts on this!

Thanks Paul

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your millage from the start sucked..bigtime.
i get 18.5 with my bone stock '05 F250.
something fishy here.
they will blame the chip for sure and i'm thinking that way also.

[dzl wannabe]

I must say he sounds like a carnival huckster.

[sticksnglue]

just cause you are so secure and comfertable changine oil often dosent mean there is something offered better to those willing to risk thier $25 a gallon oil on, cause that is the only risk, anyone that has a open mind and reads what Amsoil advertises, it is possible that what they advertised could be true.
after all they haven't changed thier advertising since 1972
if that 25,000 miles or one year oil change advertising wasn't true
then this company wouldn't of grown to what it is today, the only reason you dont feel that comfertable with the extended drain is you dont get to see a Amsoil oil commercial during football comercials with some celeberty pumping it, our brand is better than all the other brands of the same stuff"dino oils"

now I know you want some documented proof, you know I cant give you anything except for all my Amsoil purchases since 1999?

that wont be good enough, my use since 1997 with all my families/friends vehicles isn't good enough for you,
my increased fuel milage, quieter diesel engine, increased power, cleaner engine internals, no measurable wear on some of the engines I tore down, minimum machine work to repair, cooler oil temps both emgine/trans. thats not good enough.
it isnt good enough Amsoil only conducts buissness through individuals like me that use the products, and purchase them for resale.
thats just down right disrespectfull!
sorry I wasted your guys time [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]

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Condescending attitudes like yours are not going to help sell your snake oil. So, I need an open mind about snake oil advertizers? Why? I don't think I've ever seen an ad for DELO 400 saying anything about it, but then I don't watch that much football. I never asked you for documented proof? mostly because I know it doesn't exist. How does motor oil keep your transmission cool? And the best statement yet, besides all the misspellings, bad grammer, a capitalization and punctuation mess is that some idiot thinks I'm disrespectful?? Yes, you have been a waste of everyones time. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bleh.gif[/img]

[sbrennan007]

Personally, I'm a fan of Rotella T.

www.rotella.com

I also put a Hybrid Synergy Drive emblem on my F350 CC DRW and now get upwards of 40 MPG, although this is city driving and is improving daily. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img]

[AllOutFirefighter13]

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the facts are out there for ones who know what they are looking for

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Well, come on now, show us some of those facts...

In THIS post, FamilyRide says:

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However, I switched to Rotella in the Ex. because UOA's on Amsoil was coming back not much better than dino. You cannot extend the drain on the 6.0. Maybe change the filter and do partial drains, but it shears. Viscosity and flashpoint do matter regardless of what someone drinking Amsoil for breakfast thinks. I may switch back to try it again now that I have some miles on it but I may not. $30 vs $85????? At dealer cost too.

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This is the HARD fact information I was talking about. He has on paper what all of us have been trying to get from you. Now I'm not using FamilyRide's post as fuel for my fire, but he says that Amsoil just won't cut it in a 6.0 like it does in the 7.3s. My whole point is that you're trying to sell this stuff with no hard proof to back up your claim. Now do you see why people just won't take just your word about it? Not to mention you're a "member" and not a "sponsor", so I'd like to see what the Moderators have to say about your posts.

No one says that you can't provide information to this forum, just make sure that 1) you know what you are talking about, and 2) you provide some means of backing it up. It's really that simple.

And I do have to agree, the way you are pushing Amsoil, you really are doing more bad for them than good on this forum.

[JDAALLEN]

Mobile 1 IS NOT approved for the 6.0. Got this info directly from Mobile, and then from Ford -- After I had to have 5 injectors replaced!!!