Induction or buzz flash?

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I have a 2006 F-250 that has the buzz flash. I have heard that the Induction flash is the hot ticket. I called my dealer today & asked for the induction flash. He asked for my VIN, then told me there was no update for it & that he couldn't — by law — put the induction flash into it. Can some of you techs give me your opinion on this?

Grampy Jim, I'm hoping you'll chime in here.

Regards,
Tom

[Btravelen]

Doesn't sound right. I'd like to hear more about the reason.

Take Care

[wdvogt01]

tell your local dealer that it has a rough starting issue sometimes.

[Gofaster23]

By law? Whaaaaaaaaat? The induction PCM update is TSB# 07-05-04 to address cold start/drivability issues. Take it to a dealer, tell them it runs rough for a few seconds when cold and you want TSB# 07-05-04 performed. There's not much more to it. Dealership gets money, tech gets .7 of an hour, you are happy, everyone wins. That service advisor or whoever you talked to isn't helping by saying they can't do it "by law".

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What advantage does the induction flash have over the buzz flash? I seem to have lost mileage with the buzz flash.

[frobozz]

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What advantage does the induction flash have over the buzz flash? I seem to have lost mileage with the buzz flash.

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The biggest advantage is the lack of embarassment when walking away from your truck in a parking lot... My mileage was unchanged with the buzz flash, and then with the induction flash. I was also still occasionally getting rough starts with smoke for a few seconds on the buzz flash, and that's all disappeared with the induction flash (though to be fair, I've not yet had a bitter cold morning with the inductions flash.)

Duncan

[AllOutFirefighter13]

<font color="blue"> When out of the 3-year/36,000-mile warranty, but still within the 100,000-mile warranty, would this reflash constitute a bill of any kind (deductible?) given to us?

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[GregH]

The reflash would be out of your own pocket if you're over 3/36.

This is because .7 hours is less than the $100 deductible.

And, no, it's not an emissions thing. If you actually have this problem, and not just wanting the latest and greatest, then the misfire on cold start comes from no fuel being injected into certain cylinders.

You could argue that case with the dealer, and probably get your flash for free, but is it worth it? .7 is only $49 at my dealer...

[AllOutFirefighter13]

<font color="blue"> I was just curious Greg...I wasn't trying to slide my way into a free re-flash...

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[PowerStrokeHD]

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The reflash would be out of your own pocket if you're over 3/36.

This is because .7 hours is less than the $100 deductible.

And, no, it's not an emissions thing. If you actually have this problem, and not just wanting the latest and greatest, then the misfire on cold start comes from no fuel being injected into certain cylinders.

You could argue that case with the dealer, and probably get your flash for free, but is it worth it? .7 is only $49 at my dealer...

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Is there any particular reason that you say the flash is not covered under the emissions warranty? TSB 07-5-4 states the Warranty Status as, "Eligible Under Provisions of New Vehicle Limited Warranty Coverage and Emissions Warranty Coverage".

The reason I ask, is I know a few people who have had the flash taken care of and warranted under emissions. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]

[GregH]

Emissions warranty coverage varies by year model and registered state.

I looked in the warranty and policy manual for 2007. It shows 9E527 being covered under 7/70 emissions warranty in california only. Other states would be ineligible for this reflash under emissions warranty.

I've had this argument with our warranty guy. Sometimes I can get EGR valve cleaning/replacement and turbo cleaning covered under emissions, sometimes not. It depends on the year model, and the base part number we're coding the repair to.

If you think you should get a particular repair covered under emissions warranty, I suggest you go talk to your dealer's service manager. He'll not only know the requirements in your state, he'll also have a copy of the warranty and policy manual right there to show you...

[GrampyJim]

Now.... I really don't want to open a can of worms here (but I never seem to back away from the opportunity).... but I recall that the Diesel Time broadcast that described the induction heating strategy to us contained an inferrance that there "may" be some solace for those unhappy with the sound of the post cycle strategy....

I don't want to give false hope, but I can only suggest that anyone seeking the induction heating flash might explore this avenue.... Downside... any "grace period" if this, indeed, was officially offered may have already expired.... additionally, an owner would have to find a store where the staff actually work for a living instead of just show up and waste oxygen.... (FWIW, I have found THIS to be true where-ever I go and in all manner of businesses)... and would spend the time to check if this was "officially" offered.

One thing I keep repeating over and over.... when looking for a selling dealer, the major engine of choice should be after sales service..... saving a couple of G on the purchase price can be little solace when faced with an inadequate service staff...

[dgriffin]

I went in for the latest and greatest "Inductive Heating" flash a couple of days ago, and just paid the $75.00. The paper work read 4U7A-12A650-BGJ. Reading the strategy from the OBDII port gave VXBC9NP and TQBF0N2. I assume the prior number is Ford's reference to flashing the FICM, TCM and PCM all together.

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So do you notice a difference?