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ML, thanks for the email but the parameters you set are gone. It seems to default the parameters. Also sorry this for the hijack. I can't believe how lousy Edge's tech support is on my issue. I've contacted the over 7 times only to get one sentence replies with no real solutions or help. I think that this type of monitor is the only way to proper id the cause of puking and high oil temps. My local dealer would just start replacing things on my dime(not gonna happen). On a scale on 1-10 how difficult was the cooler replacement?
Well, finally progress with the insight(no thanks to there tech support). I got the parameters loaded (thanks ML for your help!) and put my oil temps in bar graph form with my coolant temps. I've found my coolant temps are consistanly at 180 while driving 70 mph on the highway. Now I've got my oil temps I see that my oil temp is just over 30 degree's hotter than my coolant and as the oil temp rises the coolant temp doesn't increase at all. So I'm thinking I need to replace my cooler. So how high should my oil temp get normally? And does this rule out my HG's? I would assume that if the hg's were leaking as I increase load on the engine the coolant temps would rise also? Ml any more pics of the tear down?
Sorry to hear about the failed oil cooler - it ain't cheap or easy to do.
The official Ford data is that the oil temp should never be higher than 14 degrees above the engine coolant temp.
Unfortunately this does NOT rule out head gaskets - it's a gamble - one I took and seem to have won. The way I looked at it was if the truck would run fine before the temps would go out of nominal ranges then it's likely your head gaskets are OK. There is no easy way to know the condition of the HGs until there's a serious problem. One other factor in my favor is my truck has never had any mods whatsoever - stone stock as Ford built it with regular maintenance.
I have many more pictures of my recent tear down and installation of the bulletproofdiesel mod - these sites tend to put rather strict limitations on how many and size of images you can store so I wasn't able to place too many here.
I'll make the statement, please remember that this is a VERY subjective statement, that on a scale of 1 to 10 of difficulty for a non factory trained owner on his garage floor, this is a 7 or 8 level job. Not as hard as pulling the motor or auto tranny and doing a complete rebuild but plan on spending a long time and having a number of bags of kitty litter or other absorbent around while you work.
As I stated in my post, one of the most important tools is access to the factory dis-assembly/assembly information. I ended up renting the info and printing out the relevant sections.
My truck is bone stock also and meticulously maintained. I only tow heavy 12 times a year so I'm feeling pretty confident it isn't the HG's but time will tell for sure. I will fix it but I'm not 100% sold on the bulletproof style though it's a bit pricey for my taste. I also like the stock local for the oil filter. Is there any other aftermarket options for the oil cooler? I was thinking of trading but really don't want the payments. Does anyone know the drill and tap size for the exhaust tc for the insight? My didn't come with tc installation directions and I've email Edge with no reply. I need to buy the tap and was hoping to pick it up this weekend. ML can you email the pic's of the tear down?
I work on gas turbines for a living so I feel confident that I'll be able to do the work myself. Are there any special tools needed?
The only special tool I needed to rent was a tool to remove the fan/clutch.
I mention in my write-up some of the other details.
As for the many pictures I shot - many show the motor in various tear down states but the useful information, including the nice diagrams and other visual aids, are available when you rent the shop manual info - everything is in there. And you can rent the info for only $10 for 72 hours of use - a fair price when they also let you print out the sections you need.
What would really be helpful is video, properly edited, showing the many steps required to remove the oil cooler and then do the upgrade. The upgrade itself is not much more than the OEM replacement - with the exception of mounting the bulletproofdiesel oil cooler and filter and routing the new hoses.
Let me know if you would like the link to the site I used for the shop manual but you can also find the link on the bulletproofdiesel web site.
I've not seen or heard about any other aftermarket oil cooler replacement.
I can't guarantee that the tc you have is the same as mine but mine required a 1/8"-27 pipe thread tap - be careful when tapping the hole - it's easy to tap too deeply and end up having to thread the fitting in farther than needed.
Where can the manual be rented from? Does the fan need to be removed if a stock cooler is used? Does the turbo absolutely need to be removed? Can you email me those pics?
Where can the manual be rented from? Does the fan need to be removed if a stock cooler is used? Does the turbo absolutely need to be removed? Can you email me those pics?
Matt
The fan doesn't have to be removed, but the turbo does.
Where can the manual be rented from? Does the fan need to be removed if a stock cooler is used? Does the turbo absolutely need to be removed? Can you email me those pics?
Matt
Another option for manuals is ebay. I purchased the entire Ford Manual (DVD)for my 05' (including engine) there for < $20. Ordered on Sunday, had the DVD by Thursday. The particilar vendor was Manual Monkey. If you go this route, be sure to follow their instructions for using the DVD.
As for the many pictures I shot - many show the motor in various tear down states but the useful information, including the nice diagrams and other visual aids, are available when you rent the shop manual info - everything is in there. And you can rent the info for only $10 for 72 hours of use - a fair price when they also let you print out the sections you need.
What would really be helpful is video, properly edited, showing the many steps required to remove the oil cooler and then do the upgrade. The upgrade itself is not much more than the OEM replacement - with the exception of mounting the bulletproofdiesel oil cooler and filter and routing the new hoses.
Let me know if you would like the link to the site I used for the shop manual but you can also find the link on the bulletproofdiesel web site.
I've not seen or heard about any other aftermarket oil cooler replacement.
I didn't take pictures of me removing the turbo (again) after I neglected to tighten up the two bolts that hold the EGR cooler to the intake manifold.
If anyone has questions - just post here and thanks to bulletproofdiesel for the hard disk space.
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Edge Insight display
bulletproofdiesel oil transfer block
bulletproofdiesel oil cooler
dieselsite coolant filter
Ml, I've been running the insight and watching temps closely under different driving conditions. I'm still trying to decide whether this is the oil & egr cooler or those and the hg's.( I know my oil cooler is shot for sure) I haven't hauled anything but have got on the throttle good on the highway. I tacted to over 3k in a needed lane change and got a smell of coolant. My oil temps were over 30 degrees above my coolant but when the smell occured the coolant temps were up to 185 which is about 6 degrees above there normal. I still haven't installed the tc in the manifold. So now It's either the egr cooler that's cracked or the Hg's. The issue for me is I don't want to spend the $800-1000 on the coolers and then still have to replace the HG's. I'd rather put the 1k towards a new truck. But on the other hand I really wanted to keep this truck for another few years and have no payments. I'm so pissed about this, why doesn't ford try and meet you halfway with these issues with thoughts of customer loyalty?
Ml, I've been running the insight and watching temps closely under different driving conditions. I'm still trying to decide whether this is the oil & egr cooler or those and the hg's.( I know my oil cooler is shot for sure) I haven't hauled anything but have got on the throttle good on the highway. I tacted to over 3k in a needed lane change and got a smell of coolant. My oil temps were over 30 degrees above my coolant but when the smell occured the coolant temps were up to 185 which is about 6 degrees above there normal. I still haven't installed the tc in the manifold. So now It's either the egr cooler that's cracked or the Hg's. The issue for me is I don't want to spend the $800-1000 on the coolers and then still have to replace the HG's. I'd rather put the 1k towards a new truck. But on the other hand I really wanted to keep this truck for another few years and have no payments. I'm so pissed about this, why doesn't ford try and meet you halfway with these issues with thoughts of customer loyalty?
Matt
Remember the oil temp should NEVER be higher that 14 degrees above the coolant temp - I was getting the smell of coolant out of my degas bottle cap and according to my diesel tech buddy - that is by far the most common way for coolant to escape when the oil cooler is plugged up.
The theory is that the restricted oil cooler causes the coolant to reach a flash boiling point that causes a large bubble to form in the system. The first thing it does is rise to the highest point (the degas bottle) and then over-pressurizes the bottle and forces coolant out. When I would run down the freeway with mine at 70+ for too long I'd always smell coolant.
So it's possible that your EGR cooler has survived - so far.
As far as the tc goes - it's not related to the problem you've described. Nice to know your EGT temps but they're likely just fine especially if, as I'm assuming, that your boost levels read normal.
As for Ford stepping up - from what I was able to find out they would, in some cases, offer to split the costs for the job using OEM parts. That's assuming your dealer really went to bat for you and you had a random amount of time to wait for them to possibly respond favorably.
Since I've owned my truck since new, it's stone stock, I know it's entire history, it seemed to run great before the oil temp got too high and I really didn't want to do battle with the dealer/Ford I gambled and did just the oil/egr cooler upgrade. So far - so good.
I wish I could tell you how to check the condition of your head gaskets - as far as I know there is no valid method.
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Edge Insight display
bulletproofdiesel oil transfer block
bulletproofdiesel oil cooler
dieselsite coolant filter
i just picked up my 06 F350 with 54000 miles on her. my first step is to install the edge insight device and start tracking temps to see where i am.
my PC at home runs vista, so i guess i have troubles there, i will look into access to a non vista PC i guess.....
but my question is, do i HAVE to hook the insight to a PC, or can the unit itself do what i want it to do ? can i just have oil temp and coolant temp as two of the parameters on the display, and set that up through the unit itself ?
but my question is, do i HAVE to hook the insight to a PC, or can the unit itself do what i want it to do ? can i just have oil temp and coolant temp as two of the parameters on the display, and set that up through the unit itself ?
-----------I use the Bully Dog PMT to monitor temps ---------------
all self contained
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but my question is, do i HAVE to hook the insight to a PC, or can the unit itself do what i want it to do ? can i just have oil temp and coolant temp as two of the parameters on the display, and set that up through the unit itself ?
please bear with me, all of this is new to me.
The answer is yes. The Insight does not need to be connected to a PC to determine the EOT/ECT deltas. I have those two temp sensors and boost as my primary parameters while driving and switch to others sensors I've set up as needed. Where the PC is handy is for logging of parameters using the Insight for troubleshooting purposes. The Insight has some very powerful monitoring/data logging tools that 90% of the owners probably will never use.
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