Loss of injectors when cold - Diesel Forum

bc540 · 06-01-2006, 12:37 AM

Hello everyone. Man...trying to get signed up can be a bear here! Okay, first time poster, long time reader.

My problem. 03 6.0 58k miles. I have the Edge Platinum chip in it. Over Memorial weekend I experienced this everytime the truck was first used for the day. I could drive for a couple of miles (1-5) then I would loose 3-4 injectors(1,3,5,& 7), no turbo spool and some black smoke out the pipe. This would only happen when the truck had not been run for 10-15 hours. I would un-plug the chip for 5 min and it would reprogram. The last time I just got fed-up with this whole thing and I just put it back to stock. Now the truck is doing the same thing, except I now have to disconnect both batteries for 5 min to re-program. Once this has happened the truck will run normal, like this has never happened.

Any ideas?

At first I thought it was the chip, now I don't think it is.

Thanks for all of the help!

GrampyJim · 06-01-2006, 01:56 AM

Since you are essentially losing an entire bank, I would suspect wiring, mechanical or fuel system concerns. I can only suggest removing the chip, driving it long enough for the symptoms to develop and then taking it to a competent store.

CalWaterboy · 06-01-2006, 02:17 AM

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I could drive for a couple of miles (1-5) then I would loose 3-4 injectors(1,3,5,& 7), no turbo spool and some black smoke out the pipe.

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How do you know you're losing injectors, and which ones?

bc540 · 06-01-2006, 02:16 PM

Grampy, that is exactly what I have done.

Cal, my edge chip can pull up the codes that is how I know what is happening.

Everyone else, the truck is in the shop as we speak. The advisor at the shop said Ford is getting very picky about the 6.0's and running chips with them. He told me if this was a 7.3 warranty coverage is not a problem.

Here is what I told him.

1-Diagnose the problem,
2-do not fix,
3-Call me first to let me be the judge on who is fixing this and who is paying the bill.

At this time I'm having a hard time believing that this chip could of caused the problem....but this is just mear speculation, until I have hard facts I will wait to judge who is at fault.

Ford06 · 06-01-2006, 02:34 PM

You are driving an 03, have you had the wiring harness upgrade?

bc540 · 06-01-2006, 03:01 PM

No. I have not been told about this. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

bc540 · 06-01-2006, 07:07 PM

Okay, here is the low down......

According to Ford what happened is I lost the left side of the motor for injectors.

The part that went out is called a F I C M (Fuel Injecton Control Module) It is located on top of the valve cover.

Ford will not warranty this b/c they claim it was caused by the Edge chip. They claim that the chip caused it. They also said that they can 100% guarranty that this truck had a chip in it.

Cost of new FICM 845.00 Labor 75.00

What should I do?

If I run the chip with the new FICM it will do it again. This one lasted 45'000 miles.

wil · 06-01-2006, 07:43 PM

straight from Ford Customer Service Division, the word is DON'T CHIP THE 6.0! It is tweaked enough to get all that power. You altered the engine, they don't have to warranty it. simple. So it now has cost you .02 cents/mile to go fast, plus the cost of the chip.

bc540 · 06-01-2006, 07:53 PM

So you work for Ford?

Let me tell you, the 6.0 is a dog! Every diesel truck I have owned has been chipped with out any problems....except this one.

I'm not asking for something for nonthing. I'm asking for advise from other members on here that may have had a problem like this and what has come out of it. Plain and simple.

Thanks for not helping!

jward · 06-01-2006, 08:52 PM

It is true that everybody has been warned multiple times on this forum however that does not help you at this point. Get it fixed and leave it alone. I have an early 03 and had been tempted many times to get a tuner but seeing how sensitive the 6.0 is, I stayed away and am happy I did.

anto4114 · 06-02-2006, 12:03 AM

I have an 03, and I have an edge chip, and I had to have that part changed on mine also, I have had so many injectors go out, its not even funny! Never had to pay anything for it tho.

bc540 · 06-02-2006, 01:15 AM

Anto- Just curious, what State did you have the work done in? Also how long ago?

ritschner · 06-02-2006, 10:23 AM

BfricknC, this will be one of those touchy subjects where everyone will chime in and you will get lots of opinions on what you should or should not have done. The real question is what to do now, and the decision will ultimately be yours so I can only tell you what I would do. I would pick the truck up and, since most electronics work or don't, I would unplug and replug the FICM just to make sure there were no corroded connections and check the harness for chafing. If that did not cure the problem, then I would order a FICM through 1stfordparts.com for $594.78 and replace it myself. If you decide on that route the part number is;

Old Partnumber: 3c3z12b599aarm
New Partnumber: 4C3Z12B599AARM
As far as the Edge module causing the problem, personally I do not believe it.

bc540 · 06-02-2006, 01:19 PM

Hey Uturn! Thank you, Thank you, Thank you! Your help has saved me some money. I really appreciate the time you have taken to inform me of the savings and where to get the part that I needed.

I gave the local dealer a chance to match the price but they declined. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/vomit.gif[/img]

As for the opinions. Your right there too, but you know the ol' saying.....everyone has got one regardless if it is right or not. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]

The funny thing about it was I wasn't looking for an opinion, I was looking for advise to help fix the problem.
YES I will still run a chip. Once you have one I would be suprised if you would go back to stock....dang horsepower junkies! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

AllOutFirefighter13 · 06-02-2006, 02:04 PM

BfricknC,

First and foremost, I am not trying to "badmouth" you for running the Edge. I myself want to get a programmer for mine, but I just haven't got around to re-directing the funds to do so yet. As you have probably already read many times over, Ford's consensus on aftermarket devices for the 6.0 is very cut and dry, especially with power enhancing electronics. I really don't know how Ford (or anyone) could say that the Edge caused your problem. I personally would fight this one, but that's just me. This is the first that I've heard of a FICM going bad b/c of added electronics. I'm not advocating power enhancing devices here, but I'd say that the Edge was not at fault. I just don't believe you should have to pay for this instance. It's a bummer for you to have to come up with that kind of money for something, IMHO, that isn't the direct cause of your failure. In my opinion, Ford (not a dealership) should have to prove that the Edge fried the FICM before they can say it's on your nickel. I know you don't want any opinions, but this truely sounds like you got taken to the cleaners. If somehow the Edge overloaded the FICM with enough current to have burned it up (with hardcore proof from Ford or someone), then yes, it should be your responsibility. I think this was just one of those freak coincidents. Good luck with everything, and I hope it doesn't happen again.