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Old 08-02-2008, 09:27 PM   #1 (permalink)
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oil cooler gone ary

I have an 05 F-350 with 104k on her. I had it for less than one day from the dealership and while I was pulling my trailer (only 2500lbs) the thing completely lost power. The symptoms were; turbo wouldn't spool, black smoke shooting from the tailpipe, and extremely harsh rev when trying to produce any power.

I am curious what you folks think the problem might be? I was thinking it could be the oil cooler, but am not 100% sure. I have it in the dealership, but I want a couple of opinions so when they call me with the diagnosis I can be ready to fire some questions at them. Thanks in advance!

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Old 08-02-2008, 10:25 PM   #2 (permalink)
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no one has any idea?
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Old 08-03-2008, 12:03 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I wouldnt think it would be the oil cooler. If the oil cooler was bad, then you would have oil in the coolant. If it puttin black smoke out and no turbo spool, I would think injectors or turbo.
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I wouldnt think it would be the oil cooler. If the oil cooler was bad, then you would have oil in the coolant. If it puttin black smoke out and no turbo spool, I would think injectors or turbo.
I have no idea how any of this works so I am trying to take it all in. What symptoms would a failed oil cooler bring besides oil in the coolant?
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Coolant could also get into the oil system and leave a milky slime in places like the valve covers. The oil in the cooling system will swell up any rubber in it. I’m currently going through a water pump issue (its leaking in two places and coolant disappears) and I have oil in my cooling system. Ford told me to flush out the system with liquid cascade and rinse like 3 times to remove the cascade and any junk out of it. Then get the radiator check out and repaired. After that replace all hoses and then put the new water pump on.
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Coolant could also get into the oil system and leave a milky slime in places like the valve covers. The oil in the cooling system will swell up any rubber in it. Iím currently going through a water pump issue (its leaking in two places and coolant disappears) and I have oil in my cooling system. Ford told me to flush out the system with liquid cascade and rinse like 3 times to remove the cascade and any junk out of it. Then get the radiator check out and repaired. After that replace all hoses and then put the new water pump on.
Jeez, sounds like you have your work cut out for ya. Sorry that happened. Hope all works out for you though.

I am just curious if an oil coolant would be the cause of the problem I had? Would it be an indirect problem that would have a domino affect on the system?
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I am just curious if an oil coolant would be the cause of the problem I had? Would it be an indirect problem that would have a domino affect on the system?
It might but I doubt you have an oil cooler prob. For what I'm going through right now was the result of the engine overheated from the previous owner . I just finished doing a head gasket and replaced one of the engine heads that was cracked. Put 400mi on it after being put back together and found it was drinking coolant. Took it to ford on wed and they said the wp should be the reason why. Oh I’m doing most of the work by my self to save some $$$$.
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I have an 05 F-350 with 104k on her. I had it for less than one day from the dealership and while I was pulling my trailer (only 2500lbs) the thing completely lost power. The symptoms were; turbo wouldn't spool, black smoke shooting from the tailpipe, and extremely harsh rev when trying to produce any power.

I am curious what you folks think the problem might be? I was thinking it could be the oil cooler, but am not 100% sure. I have it in the dealership, but I want a couple of opinions so when they call me with the diagnosis I can be ready to fire some questions at them. Thanks in advance!
Wow... not sure where the oil cooler idea came from but there's sure enough people all over that idea.... If they have their way, you'll be looking for a new motor....

Loss of power and black smoke is "USUALLY" (as opposed to "always") a bad EGR system.... and this is "USUALLY" (as opposed to "always") the EGR valve.

Black smoke is a sign of over fuelling.... there is either too much fuel being supplied for the conditions or there is not enough air supplied for the conditions.... We can stab parts at it willy-nilly or we can enter into a logical diagnostic process...
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Willy -Nilly Lol......sounds like Our service writers at work telling customers whats wrong with There Rigs. When actually for the most part he has no freaking Idea what hes talking about
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Wow... not sure where the oil cooler idea came from but there's sure enough people all over that idea.... If they have their way, you'll be looking for a new motor....

Loss of power and black smoke is "USUALLY" (as opposed to "always") a bad EGR system.... and this is "USUALLY" (as opposed to "always") the EGR valve.

Black smoke is a sign of over fuelling.... there is either too much fuel being supplied for the conditions or there is not enough air supplied for the conditions.... We can stab parts at it willy-nilly or we can enter into a logical diagnostic process...
So a bad EGR system would run me approx me how much to have fixed? I'd say this dealer will quote average to average/high. I'm not really sure what the willy-nilly stuff is all about, maybe an inside joke I don't get yet. I'm still new here...

So you're saying if they have their way they're gonna try and rip me off and tell me I need a new motor. However, that's not the case right? I guess I just didn't get a whole lot of info from that last post. I'm concluding that you're telling me that it's a bad egr valve that I can simply take off myself and that the dealership is going to try to bend me over if I let them? Oh, and that the oil cooler was a terrible guess. Does that sound about right?

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I would agree. Check the egr. Black smoke is too much fuel being burnt. But since I only have a 97, I have no idea on how to change it and what it would cost.
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Google "willy nilly"... It's not an inside joke - but I guess it must be an old guy thing.

As far as repairing an "EGR system"... again - we are going to need to decide just what is broken.... From your description (black smoke, lacks power) I will suggest a few possibilities.... EGR valve, turbo, MAP sensor, MAF sensor, charge air cooler system. Without proper testing, anything is going to be a wild guess....

But this is a crowning touch "So you're saying if they have their way they're gonna try and rip me off ...". Where... in Gods name, where did I say that?

At this point in time, you are asking questions that cannot be properly answered given the information presented.... But that one statement describes your mindset.... And I think I might back away from the podium....
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If they have their way, you'll be looking for a new motor....
Yes Old Gramps that does describe my mindset well doesn't it? Maybe if you were a bit more concise and not so vague you would have gotten an appropriate response. However, you weren't, so yes my mind wondered to a dealership trying to rip someone off. I must be the first guy to ever have thought a dealership would rip anyone off...hmmm weird.

If you'd like to 'back away from the podium' be my guest. You can go tell willy-nilly jokes to a more age-appropriate crowd feel free. I am certainly not going to stop you.
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grampy is one of the smartest guys on here in my mind out of all the searches ive done tryin to track down my problems with my 6.0 hes answered more than half of them with the right answer and more than likely your gunna need him down the road seein tht uve just purchased and UH OH 6.0.... so not to butt in on this but you should really hear wat he has to say im pretty sure he could build your engine with a blind fold on. and my 2cents on your problem you probly have a bad turbo or a bad egr cooler when they get blocked they restrict alot.....
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Don't know your problem, but I am with soflasmoker here. He is being "vague" because of your lack of info. Based on your info, there are only so many ways to help you. And being "vauge" is better than being incorrect, and potentially mis-diagnosing your problem. I also have been helped quite a bit by "old gramps" as you put it, and I have shared some of the info Jim has supplied me with to the dealer, to help them fix my truck right. He is clearly very knowledgeable and experienced with these trucks, and if I were him, I would back away as well. I don't know how, or why you stay around Jim, but I sure appreciate your input.
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