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Old 04-07-2008, 01:32 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Torqueshift Transmission Fluid...???

I know the manual to my 2006 Ford say to use Mercon SP... Can I use Mobil 1 Synthetic in it.... It says it meats all mercon requirements...

Has anyone used anything other than this Ford mercon sp???
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Don't do it. The solenoids (all seven of them!) are VERY sensitive to fluids. You could end up having to replace the $olenoid$ from damage caused by the wrong fluid. Use only a fluid that says MERCON SP.

While I am a big fan of Mobil 1, it is not the right fluid for a TorqShift.
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Check this out... Amsoil makes a universal fluid that says it can be used with Mercon V and SP....

It just seams to me for is trying to make an extra buck by making us buy THEIR Fluid...???

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AMSOIL Synthetic Universal Automatic Transmission Fluid is completely compatible with other synthetic and petroleum automatic transmission fluids. AMSOIL ATF is a universal, multi-functional fluid that greatly reduces the need for specialized fluid inventories and the possibilities of misapplication.

AMSOIL ATF is recommended for transmission, hydraulic and other applications requiring any of the following specifications:
  • GM DEXRON® II, III & VI
  • Ford MERCON®, MERCON® V & SP
  • Chrysler ATF+ through ATF+4®
  • Honda Z-1 (Not for use in CVT transmissions)
  • Toyota Type T and T-IV
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  • Vickers I-286S & M-2950S Excellent for power steering units that use ATF.
    Not for use in CVT transmissions.
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Screw it... I'll just take it to the Dealer... Better flushing it out anyhow...
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I don't know, I paid less then $4 a quart for my SP. Isn't that less then Amsoil or Mobil 1?
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It is cheaper but I have a rather large racing background and I am just hung up on mobil 1... It has always been good to me so I use it...
I was just wondering if it has been used by anyone, I can get the Mobil 1 pretty much at cost every now and then so I was going to put in the order... To many folks don't recomend it though...

I just can't see how the SP can be so much different than something like Mobil 1... I'm not a big Automatic Tranny guy either so I'll leave it to the Pros...

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Check this out... Amsoil makes a universal fluid that says it can be used with Mercon V and SP....

It just seams to me for is trying to make an extra buck by making us buy THEIR Fluid...???

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AMSOIL Synthetic Universal Automatic Transmission Fluid is completely compatible with other synthetic and petroleum automatic transmission fluids. AMSOIL ATF is a universal, multi-functional fluid that greatly reduces the need for specialized fluid inventories and the possibilities of misapplication.

AMSOIL ATF is recommended for transmission, hydraulic and other applications requiring any of the following specifications:
  • GM DEXRON® II, III & VI
  • Ford MERCON®, MERCON® V & SP
  • Chrysler ATF+ through ATF+4®
  • Honda Z-1 (Not for use in CVT transmissions)
  • Toyota Type T and T-IV
  • Mitsubishi/Hyundai Diamond SP II & III
  • Allison C-3, C-4
  • Caterpillar TO-2
  • Voith G607, G1363
  • ZF TE-ML 14A, 14B, 14C
  • Mercedes Benz 236.1, 236.2, 236.6, 236.7, 236.9
  • BMW 7045E<LI class=style1>NAG 1 & 2
  • JWS 3309
  • LT 71141 (ESSO)
  • Nissan Matic D, J & K
  • Vickers I-286S & M-2950S Excellent for power steering units that use ATF.
    Not for use in CVT transmissions.



Mercron and Mercron V are not compatible with Mercron SP (look in your owners manual). So now there is a Universal fluid that is compatible with darn near everything?...kinda makes you wonder doesn't it?

I'm really curious to how this is possible and still retain the properties of original SP, which is what your tranny calls for...anyone know?

Maybe I'm being too skeptical...somebody convince me, because those claims are close to snake oil in nature (ie. cures everything).
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Mercron and Mercron V are not compatible with Mercron SP (look in your owners manual). So now there is a Universal fluid that is compatible with darn near everything?...kinda makes you wonder doesn't it?

I'm really curious to how this is possible and still retain the properties of original SP, which is what your tranny calls for...anyone know?

Maybe I'm being too skeptical...somebody convince me, because those claims are close to snake oil in nature (ie. cures everything).
Take notice of the wording (COMPATIBLE and RECOMMENDED). That doesn,t mean they will cover your warrenty when Ford denies it for using the improper fluid, which is called out in your manual, in your Torqueshift.
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Take notice of the wording (COMPATIBLE and RECOMMENDED).
That is a good point. Kind of like how water is compatible with milk

Human nature is funny...Lets say Ford developed the Torqushift and it took Universal fluid

....Then lets say a company comes out with a "special" fluid that is developed especially for that tranny....then called is "SP". You would see so many people switching from the Universal to the special.

Now we all know the reverse is true.....The point being a lot of people get suckered by marketing.
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You guys are reading way too much into the wording. The wording is just what it is; nothing more, nothing less.

The alternative is to say it's the same, which it's not so compatible makes sense, and recommended for applications they detail, also makes sense. Amsoil isn't voodoo.

And look harder, you'll find the verbiage pertaining to warranty and fluid application. Not that it really does much for you. Think about an actual event of damage and repair etc. It's like a home warranty, it sounds nice to have, but not always real practical.

And yes, I use Amsoil in a lot of stuff, just not my truck, and I let the dealer flush-fill it with Motorcraft SP just because it's the best way to change it, and it's competitively priced and frankly, I don't see any reason not so stick with the MC SP which is synthetic.

Just don't get caught up in the "Amsoil is voodoo and trickery" BS.
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The alternative is to say it's the same, which it's not so compatible makes sense,
According to them which is how I read it...hence my analogy of water and milk. Oil and water are not the same, and it sure isn't compatible...so that does not make sense.

Show me a 3rd party analysis (not associated with Amsoil) where their Universal fluid meets or exceeds SP specs. Like I said, it does not pass the common sense test. How does a fluid meet specs of everything...to include fluids specifically mentioned in the Ford Owners manual as not compatible (Mercron, MercronV and SP)?


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And yes, I use Amsoil in a lot of stuff, just not my truck, and I let the dealer flush-fill it with Motorcraft SP just because it's the best way to change it, and it's competitively priced and frankly, I don't see any reason not so stick with the MC SP which is synthetic.

Just don't get caught up in the "Amsoil is voodoo and trickery" BS.
So do I...I use their gear oil and have been very happy with it.
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I use Amsoil in everything including my transmission and have yet to have any problems, it upshifts and downshifts just like it did with the SP in it.
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Motown,

That's great... and I don't doubt that it does.

Remember when the 6.0 was new? I remember reading several posts where people discovered that their dealership put MERCRON V in it, and it also worked just fine.... What are the long term effects? Yes, the Torqueshift ran on fluid that was not compatible....over time, how much longer would the tranny have lasted if the correct fluid was used?

I'm just asking what I consider to be reasonable questions. I'm not trying to be an azz..

Is this Universal Fluid certified to meet SP specs (by somebody other than AMSOIL)? Maybe it's just me, but when a claim or study is made by the same people who make the product, it becomes suspect (there is a conflict of interest)....especially when they refuse to get an official certification, and simple things don't make sense....How can a fluid meet the specs of everything to include known fluids that are not compatible with each other? (MERCRON/MERCRON V & SP).

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API's Engine Oil Licensing and Certification System (EOLCS) is a voluntary licensing and certification program that authorizes engine oil marketers who meet specified requirements to use the API Engine Oil Quality Marks—the API Service Symbol "Donut" and Certification Mark "Starburst." This program is a cooperative effort between the oil industry and vehicle and engine manufacturers Ford, General Motors, and DaimlerChrysler; the Japan Automobile Manufacturers Association; and the Engine Manufacturers Association. Performance requirements, test methods, and limits are cooperatively established by vehicle and engine manufacturers, technical societies like the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) and the American Society for Testing and Materials (ASTM) and industry associations like the American Chemistry Council and API. Oils meeting these requirements are recommended by vehicle manufacturers.
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THANK YOU....
All I wanted was some answers like that...

Dang, alot of folks here need to pop-a-top an a beer and relax a bit...

Thanks all,
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