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Old 03-28-2007, 01:30 PM   #1 (permalink)
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TSB 07-6-9 --> BUCK/JERK WHEN PULLING LARGE/HEAVY GOOSE NECK TRAILERS

This was released on 3/19/07 and may affect some of you pulling larger trailers:

"FORD: 2005-2007 F-Super Duty

ISSUE:
Some 2005-2007 Super Duty vehicles equipped with a 6.0L diesel engine may exhibit a buck/jerk concern when pulling large/heavy goose neck trailers. For example pulling multiple horses, living quarters, or on board water tank. This concern occurs in tow/haul mode, typically between 35-60 MPH (56-97 Km/h), and requires an input for the buck/jerk to start. For example, the buck/jerk may start after a shift event, torque converter lock up, or hitting a bump in the road surface.

Once the buck/jerk starts, the drivers foot may not be held steady on the pedal assembly and the buck/jerk becomes worse. Releasing the accelerator pedal completely, or going to wide open throttle (WOT) typically will stop the buck/jerk. This concern does not occur when operating the vehicle in cruise control.

ACTION:
Follow the Service Procedure steps to correct the condition.

SERVICE PROCEDURE:
Since this concern ONLY occurs while pulling a goose neck trailer, it is important that the customer bring the trailer with them in order for the concern to be verified. The buck/jerk condition specific to this concern does not occur when the truck is driven without a trailer, or with a conventional receiver pull trailer.

The buck/jerk concern is caused by trailer configuration and trailer weight distribution causing movement of the vehicle. Combined with a goose neck hitch that is not robust, the hitch flexes causing excessive movement in the truck; therefore the driver is moved in the seat with their foot moving up and down on the accelerator pedal amplifying the concern.

A revised calibration has been developed to help filter out some of the accelerator pedal movement, and show proper trailer loading, hitch location, and hitch information has been provided.

1. Reprogram the powertrain control module (PCM) to the latest calibration using IDS release IDS-47.10 and higher or IDS-48.4 (expected release March 20th) or higher. This new calibration is not included in the VCM 2007.3 DVD. Calibration files may also be obtained at www.motorcraft.com. This calibration contains an accelerator pedal filter.

2. If the concern is still present after the reflash, it may be caused by the trailer weight distribution and/or a hitch not being robust enough for the application.

3. Refer to the Ford Towing Guide at: www.fleet.ford.com, then select "Showroom", then "Towing Guides". Towing guide reference material may also be available in the sales department.

4. Note if the hitch does not appear to be robust or is home made. Some aftermarket hitches are not as robust as others and can cause the hitch to flex thereby causing the trailer to "drive" the vehicle and produce the buck jerk condition. This in turn can cause the customer's foot on the accelerator pedal to amplify this condition. Be especially suspicious of home made hitches, or hitches that do not appear to be robust.

5. Check the goose neck pin location and if it deviates from the Towing Guide.

6. Check the trailer set up for distributing the weight as recommended in the Towing Guide. If any deviations are found from the towing guide and/or the hitch is not robust, then the customer needs to be consulted about bringing their equipment up to the recommended guidelines. This may include getting approve to change to a more robust hitch.

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Eligible Under Provisions Of New Vehicle Limited Warranty Coverage
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Old 03-28-2007, 11:44 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: TSB 07-6-9 --> BUCK/JERK WHEN PULLING LARGE/HEAVY GOOSE NECK TRAILERS

I can't thank you enough Diesel Jay, I was taking my truck in for this exact reason this weekend with no clue as to how I was going to explain it to my dealer. I'll tell you when that thing gets to bucking,.....hold on tight cause it is violent and feels like something is going to break. At least now I know it's not just my truck....

Again, thanks....
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Re: TSB 07-6-9 --> BUCK/JERK WHEN PULLING LARGE/HEAVY GOOSE NECK TRAILERS

Having it done today. I will post results after towing. This has been a serious issue for me, and I hope this solves it.

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Re: TSB 07-6-9 --> BUCK/JERK WHEN PULLING LARGE/HEAVY GOOSE NECK TRAILERS

I have a bumper pull Toyhauler that does the same thing on bad wash board roads. Was comming home last sunday and hit a really bad section of wash board, I let off on the throttle and it started to really buck bad. I may have to take mine for this flash.
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Re: TSB 07-6-9 --> BUCK/JERK WHEN PULLING LARGE/HEAVY GOOSE NECK TRAILERS

Can someone clarify the issue for me.

I do not tow a 5er or gooseneck, but I do sometimes experience a romp event. After we hit a bump or a shift occurs, the truck will pulsate, pushing my foot away from the pedal, which causes the truck to slow down, pushing my foot back into the pedal, repeating the process. It is unnerving, but not violent. I remedy the issue by pressing harder on the pedal, which pushes the truck out of the mode.

I am hauling a large (max GVWR) Truck camper, which attaches with spring loaded turnbuckles. The flex of the camper during this event makes it worse.

It does not happen when unloaded.

Am I describing the above, or just a normal event?

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Re: TSB 07-6-9 --> BUCK/JERK WHEN PULLING LARGE/HEAVY GOOSE NECK TRAILERS

My '04 does this but it is when braking not accelerating! Thought is was the trailer but I unplugged the power to the brakes and the truck still does it. Only does it when pulling HEAVY loads. Could it be the same issue? Dealer can figure it out and never mentioned this bulletin
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Re: TSB 07-6-9 --> BUCK/JERK WHEN PULLING LARGE/HEAVY GOOSE NECK TRAILERS

Finally towed after the TSB. Problem appears to be totally solved.

Hope this is the answer for the rest of you.

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