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Old 01-22-2007, 12:19 AM   #1 (permalink)
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continually bending pushrods/breaking rocker arms

Alright-my truck broke down on the way home from ny, ended up I snapped an exhaust rocker arm and bent a pushrod. Fixed it, managed to get home with a slight tick getting louder as I progressed, then started romping on it a bit more after I made it. In any event, it started running VERY poorly. I got home, pulled the V/C's, and found many, many, many bent pushrods and broken rocker arms. intake, exhaust, all of them. Mainly on the passenger side engine bank. This wasn't an issue until I installed the GTP38r and headstuds, im making 35ish on the boost gauge, and the truck SEEMS to run fairly well until it explodes. Im going to be ordering a longblock from BDP, but in the meantime, Id like to get it going. I was told that the boost is blowing my valves open, but WHY exhaust valves? I can see intake....
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Re: continually bending pushrods/breaking rocker arms

Back pressure,weak valve springs.I am just tossing stuff out there.I honestly don't know why that would happen.
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Re: continually bending pushrods/breaking rocker arms

could be that you are having too much back pressure on the exhaust side dont realy see why you are only bendin exhaust valves though.
Could have a restrition in the up pipes, being that you are building so much boost how much, is to much on a stock motor

when i had the supercharger on my lightning i had similar issues but bent intake valves also but like you said only on one side
double check the intake valves I could barely tell on mine!
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Re: continually bending pushrods/breaking rocker arms

Im bending BOTH intake and exhaust pushrods! sorry, I was stating that I was curious WHY exhaust were also bending...upipes.pedistal.etc is all new....my turbo has the 1.15 housing, my egt's are LOW, and my exhaust isn't all that restrictive....Mike
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-Garrett Gtp38r with 1.15 exhaust housing and no wastegate or ebv
-4" stainless mbrp exhaust w/6" tip
-Tymar intake
-stealth dual 17* hpops with dual IPR's
-bds 238cc a codes
-regulated return fuel system
-Triple gauge pod
-dahl 150 seperator

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-8" Pro-comp/shackle lift, 6 shocks up front, 4 in the rear
-dual steering stabilizers
-37" M/T Baja Claw radials on 16x12 M/T wheels
-carr hoops steps for each door
-2 mtx subs, mobile a/v system
-15 percent tint all around
-complete 2006 chrome package front grille, bumper, lights, and badges.
-bull bar
-chrome handles/mirror covers/tailight guards

AWAITING INSTALL:

Hopefully an intercooler and some methanol once I get this thing going....
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Re: continually bending pushrods/breaking rocker arms

blown head gasket possably then.Just throwing out suggestions.
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Re: continually bending pushrods/breaking rocker arms

well one reason is the passenger side bank has the shortest distance to travel before it reaches the turbo but im still trying to figure out what your prob is
Is the turbo surging at all or does every thing seem normal?
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Re: continually bending pushrods/breaking rocker arms

can someone please tell me WHY a blown headgasket would bend pushrods? im curious.....Ive heard that before, but don't understand. As for surge, I really don't think so, pitch changes a bit uphill at low rpm (sounds like a steady blowing) but boost gauge never fluctuates/runs strong. Everything SEEMS normal. The main issue is the first cylinder (front) on the passenger bank. That one is the only constant! Mike
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-pmt late computer
-Dp 6 position chip (stock, tow, 80, 120, 140 xtreme, high idle)
-Factory Tech Monster Box
-ARP headstuds
-Garrett Gtp38r with 1.15 exhaust housing and no wastegate or ebv
-4" stainless mbrp exhaust w/6" tip
-Tymar intake
-stealth dual 17* hpops with dual IPR's
-bds 238cc a codes
-regulated return fuel system
-Triple gauge pod
-dahl 150 seperator

OTHER

-8" Pro-comp/shackle lift, 6 shocks up front, 4 in the rear
-dual steering stabilizers
-37" M/T Baja Claw radials on 16x12 M/T wheels
-carr hoops steps for each door
-2 mtx subs, mobile a/v system
-15 percent tint all around
-complete 2006 chrome package front grille, bumper, lights, and badges.
-bull bar
-chrome handles/mirror covers/tailight guards

AWAITING INSTALL:

Hopefully an intercooler and some methanol once I get this thing going....
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Re: continually bending pushrods/breaking rocker arms

Diesel Innovations sells chromoly pushrods. I just replaced mine after finding a bent/broken pushrod.
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Re: continually bending pushrods/breaking rocker arms

Its kind of hard to explain
the reason for the blown head gasket is when the head gasket blows you are loosing compression and when the others fire you get blow back through the manifold (path of least resistance) ok then which causes pressure agains the valves which are trying to close and have air/combustion opening them back up (bad things happen such as bent and broken eng parts)
If that makes any since to you
we have had that on out 903 cummins
If you want to you can call me and i can better explain it!
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Re: continually bending pushrods/breaking rocker arms

Don't forget to check out the cam shaft lobs

You already may have done some serious damage to them

Many years ago, I had trouble like that on chevy 350....

ended up replacing the cam twice..... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]
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Re: continually bending pushrods/breaking rocker arms

well, the lifters are still in place-they haven't moved....
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-pmt late computer
-Dp 6 position chip (stock, tow, 80, 120, 140 xtreme, high idle)
-Factory Tech Monster Box
-ARP headstuds
-Garrett Gtp38r with 1.15 exhaust housing and no wastegate or ebv
-4" stainless mbrp exhaust w/6" tip
-Tymar intake
-stealth dual 17* hpops with dual IPR's
-bds 238cc a codes
-regulated return fuel system
-Triple gauge pod
-dahl 150 seperator

OTHER

-8" Pro-comp/shackle lift, 6 shocks up front, 4 in the rear
-dual steering stabilizers
-37" M/T Baja Claw radials on 16x12 M/T wheels
-carr hoops steps for each door
-2 mtx subs, mobile a/v system
-15 percent tint all around
-complete 2006 chrome package front grille, bumper, lights, and badges.
-bull bar
-chrome handles/mirror covers/tailight guards

AWAITING INSTALL:

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Re: continually bending pushrods/breaking rocker arms

Maybe week springs [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img] You can install a little stiffer valve spring from comp cams from summit. Was around $80 and drop right in.
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Re: continually bending pushrods/breaking rocker arms

Here are a couple of WAGs that depend on knowledge I don't have. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Your engine was just built, right? Are our engines "interference" engines, such that the piston can hit the valves if the cam timing is off? If so, maybe your cam timing is off.

This one's really a long shot: is it possible you've got a blown head gasket that's letting a little bit of (incompressible) coolant into the cylinder, not enough to cause full hydrolock but enough to push back on an open exhaust valve? I don't know if this can even happen, anywhere, anytime, but I'm grasping at straws and thought it'd be fun to show off just how limited my knowledge is! (oops, did I type that out loud?)
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Re: continually bending pushrods/breaking rocker arms

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Your engine was just built, right?

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Just built your motor? If you even just skim the top of the block to remove the HG the valves will hit the pistons. It is that tight. I saw this happen to another 7.3.
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Re: continually bending pushrods/breaking rocker arms

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Your engine was just built, right? Are our engines "interference" engines, such that the piston can hit the valves if the cam timing is off? If so, maybe your cam timing is off.


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He is bending both intake and exhaust. That eliminates cam timing. The problem has got to be too many RPM's for the parts being used or not enough valve to piston clearance. Maybe both.

If it's a newly built engine, How much valve to piston clearance was there? What was the open and closed spring pressure?
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