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Old 02-05-2007, 12:46 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Engine will not Crank... Starter spins but does not Engage

I bought a 2001 F250 SuperDuty XLT 7.3L Powerstroke back in December and I have not had any problems with it until the temperature recently went below Zero. It has been anywhere from -5 down to -10 F around here... The first time I had a problem, I had left the truck out overnight without plugging it in. In the morning it was about -6 F, -30 with the windchill. I tried to start the truck and I could hear the starter spinning, but it would not crank the engine. I got the engine to crank twice, but the truck didn't start and then after that I couldn't get the engine to turn over anymore. I found an extention cord and plugged it in, but even after 4 or 5 hours the engine wouldn't crank even though I could hear the starter spinning. Finally about 8 hours after all this started, I got the engine to crank and got it started. When I got home I plugged my truck in first thing, but the next morning I had the same problem and I have not been able to get the engine to crank since then. Mind you that the starter spins and the batteries are fine, but the starter will not engage and try turning the motor. Any ideas? Has anyone else had this same problem? Could it be the cold or does this sound like a starter problem? Thanks for any help!
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Re: Engine will not Crank... Starter spins but does not Engage

The starter spinning is not a very reliable indication of the strength of your batteries. It has to spin the truck over fast enough to get the HPOP to put out about 500 psi in order for the injectors to fire. If during this starting you made a white cloud of diesel out the exhaust and it smells like unburned diesel then the injectors are firing but the glow plugs may not be getting the cylinders hot enough for the compression to ignite the diesel. You can use a jumper cable to bypass the glow plug relay and get juice directly to the glowplugs for about 2 minutes. Then turn it over. If there is no white smoke (unburned diesel) then it may just be the batteries cannot spin the starter fast enough. -5 to -10 is a pretty major stress on the batteries so this may indicate they need replacing.
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Thanks... I've talked to a few guys at work and they also said it may be a battery issue. The only thing that threw me off is that the starter will engage occasionaly. I would try jumping the glow plugs, but as it stand now, the starter will spin when I try and start my truck but it is not turning the engine over. I think I may just have to wait until it warms up to really see what is going on here. It seems that maybe the gear on the starter is sticking because of the cold. This is my first Diesel so I don't know if this is a common problem when it gets extremely cold or whether it simply is a battery problem or a starter problem.
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Re: Engine will not Crank... Starter spins but does not Engage

Winter Operation and Hard Start/No Start..... Check here first. Might prove informative for you.
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Thanks... I've talked to a few guys at work and they also said it may be a battery issue. The only thing that threw me off is that the starter will engage occasionaly. I would try jumping the glow plugs, but as it stand now, the starter will spin when I try and start my truck but it is not turning the engine over. I think I may just have to wait until it warms up to really see what is going on here. It seems that maybe the gear on the starter is sticking because of the cold. This is my first Diesel so I don't know if this is a common problem when it gets extremely cold or whether it simply is a battery problem or a starter problem.

[/ QUOTE ]Are you saying the starter is spinning over , but it is not engaging the flywheel? If that is the case you may need a new starter...Rick....
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Re: Engine will not Crank... Starter spins but does not Engage

I know this sounds obvious and you have probably checked this, but I had a truck Sunday that the starter bolts vibrated out and the starter had came out of the hole. Nothing wrong at all just put some bolts back in it.
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Are you saying the starter is spinning over , but it is not engaging the flywheel? If that is the case you may need a new starter...Rick....

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Yes, the starter is spinning over, but it does not engage the flywheel most of the time. I have been able to start the truck one time out of about 50 tries over an 8 hour period. If I don't find any obvious problems and none of the Winter Operation (Thanks Haulin...) techniques prove successful, I will probably replace the starter...

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I know this sounds obvious and you have probably checked this, but I had a truck Sunday that the starter bolts vibrated out and the starter had came out of the hole. Nothing wrong at all just put some bolts back in it.

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Thanks for the suggestion Smokin... I have not checked this yet and right now I'm driving my 95 F150(In-line 6) so I can't run out and look at the starter until I get home tonight. It wasn't as obvious to me though that those bolts may be loose so thanks again for suggesting I look.

I couldn't help but smile this morning when my older 6 cylinder fired right up(with trace amounts of grumbling) after sitting most of the winter without use. That truck hasn't let me down once in the almost 7 years I've owned it and even at almost 200,000 miles that 300ci still purrs like a kitten... well maybe a lion but you get the idea.
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Re: Engine will not Crank... Starter spins but does not Engage

The starter drive is a one way roller clutch. You either have a problem with that clutch slipping or you have some teeth worn away on the flywheel. It could also be something with the drive engagement but usually if it runs that stuff is working.
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Re: Engine will not Crank... Starter spins but does not Engage

I would bet you have a dirty bendix. Oil,dirt on the bendix shaft prevents the starter gear from engaging the ring gear on the fly wheel. The fix is to remove the starter and clean the bendix. It works fine when warm, correct, but not when very cold. Give it a try.
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Oil,dirt on the bendix shaft prevents the starter gear from engaging the ring gear on the fly wheel.

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No it doesn't. The engagement is mechanical. The lever that is attached to the starter drive(or bendix as you call it) is attached to the solenoid plunger on the other end. If one end moves enough to make the starter run the other end will move enough to engage the flywheel unless something is broken or worn out.

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The fix is to remove the starter and clean the bendix.

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Cold hard grease and dirt inside the roller assy will prevent the rollers from holding, so cleaning the one way clutch might make it work for a while but the correct fix would be to replace the drive.
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If the starter drive touches the flywheel just a little without fully engaging , It won't be long before you will need a flywheel, you can probably guess how I know.. replace the starter.. alot cheaper than the flywheel & the starter...Just a thought,,,Rick...
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Re: Engine will not Crank... Starter spins but does not Engage

Thanks guys. I think the only place to go from here is to pull the starter and see what gives. I know for a fact that some part of the starter is not working or else the engine would try and turn over. As soon as it warms up I'll get under there and see what's going on. Thanks again for all the insight!
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I stand corrected on the method of engagement of the starter. It is operated by a selenoid. HOWEVER, I still say it is dirt/oil in the mechanism. If it works fine when the engine is warm, and under cold conditions, the starter turns but does not engage, something (dirt) is not allowing the starter to engage the ring gear. Chevys were famous for not engaging (selenoid system) due to the moving part of the selenoid sticking under cold conditions. I say take off, clean it and try again. FWIW
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Chevys were famous for not engaging (selenoid system) due to the moving part of the selenoid sticking under cold conditions.
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Once again, no they weren't. The reason the starter drives would not turn the engine was because the one way clutch wasn't holding. If the starter motor runs the solenoid has done it's job.
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Re: Engine will not Crank... Starter spins but does not Engage

Hey thanks for the tips guys. I ended up buying one of those Big Nasty starters from DB Electric and a set of new Duramax Gold batteries from Autozone and my truck fired right up. Pretty good for a rig that's been sitting for a week in subzero weather. That DB starter sounds great! It spins the engine like it's nothing. Thanks again all!
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