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Old 12-21-2008, 10:52 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Fuel Gel Recovery

I filled my tank in MO at 60 degrees, drove to IN and shut down at 27 degrees. 2 days later tried to start up at 0 degrees(20+mph)... started okay but missed badly, made little power, no excessive smoke and eventually gave up. Had no trouble before at 20 degrees.

I added some PS Supplement(white bottle) and cycled the fuel pump to mix it in but so far it's no better. It's due for a new filter but I'm in no position to change it.

It's outside, it's screamin' cold, I have no tools... I'm hoping for warmer weather in a few days(after it snows tomorrow).

Is this a sign of gelled fuel and do I have hope of recovering after it warms up?

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What you'll want to use is Diesel 911. It's better at de-gelling than the normal supplement. If possible, drain the filter and pour some in the filter housing. That'll get it where it needs to be.

You could also just open the drain valve and turn the key on to flush some new fuel from the tank up to the filter. That'll tell you if your fuel pump is working also.

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As far as gelling is conserned I would pull the filter frist and see if it is gelled or if you even have any fuel in it.

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This sounds like what happened to me, it started, but bogged down and died. I changed the fuel filter (real easy btw) cycled the key a few times, heard the pump build up pressure, and started it up. I then kicked in the AIC and within about 15sec it just bogged down and died again. I'm hoping it warms up enough to get running and get rid of this fuel.
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This sounds like gelled fuel and/or a plugged fuel filter. The fuel spec for MO should be around 0 degrees F. this time of the year. BUT if this was mixed with non-winterized fuel or the fuel did not quite meet spec, your gel point may be higher. Working on a truck outside in the cold quite simply sucks. But what you need to do is start with a clean fuel filter and some Diesel 911. Pour a little in the filter bowl while you have it off. This is doable, usually without tools and outside. Not comfortable, but doable (yep, been there, done that). With the record cold weather, you will want to supplement the winterized fuel with Power Service, Stanadyne, or some other good anti-gel until Spring. I do.
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Definately get some powerservice 911. Add some to the fuel tank, filter bowl, and change the fuel filter. This is no fun in the cold, but a tough lesson learned. USLD can gel as high as 39 degrees, and has the affinity for water. I hate the stuff, and try to buy the 500ppm diesel when possible. In this kind of weather, I add a little 911 to the fuel, along with the powerservice in the white bottle. Call it overkill, but one experience of gelling in this kind of cold is not pleasant.
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I hate the stuff, and try to buy the 500ppm diesel when possible.
Where are you finding any of the older diesel? Every place I have been to since about Sept '07 has had the ULSD stickers on the pumps.
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Good info. It's the stuff in the lines that's usually hard to move, especially if there's water involved. Adding something like 911 to the tank and filter housing will get you going there. But consider (carefully) using a large space heater to generate heat under the truck to thaw the lines.
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dimdave,
When you did the "Hutch mod" did you add any new filters?
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Where are you finding any of the older diesel? Every place I have been to since about Sept '07 has had the ULSD stickers on the pumps.
A good place to look is flyingj.com. Some states the 500ppm is not available.
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I've found it fairly simple to run a 8' 2x4 under the the truck with 2 spring-clip mounted heat lamps & reflectors. Have the lamps angle pointed towards the fuel line (rear to ft, and ft to rear).

You can just leave the 2x4 there, and park in the same position each night you need the heat. Simply plug the lamps in & your done.

I only do this when I see the weather reports, and know it's going to be below 0. You can also cycle them off & on with a timer to save electric costs. Combined the heat lamps with your block heater & synthetic oil, makes for very easy starting in the coldest weather.

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You may have an iced up pickup screen in the tank.

I use a little charcoal in a pan under the fuel tank to warm it up.

Or if you are near or under 1/4 tank, add more fuel. I had trouble Sunday (-6*) with over 3/4 tank. Changed filter, truck restarted, then died after about 45 seconds. Pump wasn't filling the filter bowl. Heated the fuel tank for an hour, and PRESTO!
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We got our temps up over 40 today and the truck started and ran great. Guess I just needed heat. It did run VERY badly at first, with huge black smoke puffs with an on and off and on and off sound. I tried hooking up my HPOP guage and all I got was a fluctuation between 600 and 800 psi and as it warmed up it went down to between 400 and 600 psi. Obviously my guage isn't right.
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I was able to replace the main filter but did not find any 911 right away. Lying under the truck in the snow with wind blowing up my legs I did find the inline filter at the pump was opaque white instead of clear yellow...too late by then.
2 days later it was 40' and started up with no trouble.
Had I put in a white bottle before I shut down or put in a red bottle when I tried to restart, it may have been okay. Lesson learned.

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That INLINE FILTER before the fuel pump (part of Hutch-mod) is the culprit of many cold weather fuel issues. Ice crystals build up in it and eventually stop the flow of fuel...which you obviously figured out. Even with all the anti-gel I still got tired of that thing icing up and replaced it with the Dahl heated filter...five winters ago. No more icing issues.

If I remember correctly, the in-tank/pre-pump mod alters the return of warmed fuel to the tank while driving...and any inherant moisture in the fuel can easily form ice crystals...prior to and in addition to gelling.

A better explanantion of icing can be found at: Power Service Products, diesel fuel additives, prevent gelling, clean injectors, disperse water, boost cetane, reduce emissions, improve fuel economy
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