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Old 03-01-2006, 12:46 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Lucas pure synthetic oil stabilizer

Has anyone out there used this product? I thought about using it at my next oil change since the truck is not used during the summer months and only gets started once a month. I don't want to waste my money if this is just snake oil.
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Re: Lucas pure synthetic oil stabilizer

Snakeoil? You said it, not me.

OKAY, I'll say it - "Snake Oil". [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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Re: Lucas pure synthetic oil stabilizer

Surely someone uses this oil stabilizer or has used it in the past. I know some of the pulling tractors use it.
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Re: Lucas pure synthetic oil stabilizer

I WOULD NOT use it in my truck. I like it for other applications, but it makes the oil foam too much for the HEUI system in the PSD.
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Re: Lucas pure synthetic oil stabilizer

I knew the old oil stabilizer from lucas would foam, but I heard that the new pure synthetic would not. I don't think I want to be the test bed for this, so will postpone using until I know for sure it won't hurt my PSD.
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good point, I just realized you were talking about the synth. I dunno, I know if I was gonna pay money for it, I would just use synth oil, instead of an 'additive'. My PSD LOVES synth oil, starts better, MUCH smoother.
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Re: Lucas pure synthetic oil stabilizer

I've been using Lucas stabilizer (most recently the synthetic version) for about 20yrs in all manner of medium and heavy duty diesel engines and have never had foaming issues with either type. Bob's test comes up short as far as real world affects. The main problem is the oil/additive is at room temperature, heating his test stand to 200* would obviously change the results.

The only adverse effect I've had with the non-synthetic stabilizer has to do with viscosity in cold climates. I have not had this issue with the synthetic stabilizer as it is not as thick at low temperatures.

I use straight Valvoline Extreme 5W-40 synthetic oil when I change, then after about 8-10,000mi I use Lucas to top off (usually 1-2qts) and run 4-6,000mi further before changing oil again.

Run it if you want it will not hurt anything.
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Re: Lucas pure synthetic oil stabilizer

I'll state this as simply as I can....

If you feel the need to run some sort of addititve or oil "helper", you are obviously not running the right oil.

There isn't an oil additive that ISN'T snake oil in my opinion.

Before someone gets made saying it worked fine for them, I ask, how did it work fine that the oil wouldn't have done just as well by itself? Most oil additives are nothing more than the same additives that the oil has in it. That's the GOOD ONES. The bad ones have things like teflon, chlorine, etc, that will destroy an engine.

There is no governing body of additives like those that make ratings for oil. I could bottle maple syrup as the miracle cure for all that ails in your engine. Unless it caused damage and you could prove it, I worry not about you suing me. They can make any claim they wish and it is up to you as the consumer to prove them false. Most folks don't have that kind kind of time or money to bother with it.

There have been a few that were bad enough for the government to get involved with, and good suits were brought by the FDC against Duralube, Slick 50, and several others for false advertisements as none of there claims could be backed up, tests were falsified, testimonies were paid for, etc. Do a search on the FDC.gov site.

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Re: Lucas pure synthetic oil stabilizer

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Run it if you want it will not hurt anything.


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That is exactly my point. The advertising in most of these products gets you scared to run straight oil as if it is missing vital protection points, and the consumer figures, "I guess it won't hurt anything to run it" What kind of logic is that?

You have destroyed the oil company's balance of additives, you've put in something in your engine that you have no idea what is in it, and that statement [ QUOTE ]
Run it if you want it will not hurt anything.

[/ QUOTE ] can possible be far from the truth.
Where does this blind faith come from? Because we see it on the side of a top fuel dragster?

Call any oil company, Mobil, Shell, Amsoil, Royal Purple, etc. Ask them if you should run any additive in their oil? If these additives were so good, wouldn't you think they'd love for you to run it so their oil could take some credit for the long life you are seeing in your engine? They want nothing to do with someone else's product mixing with theirs.
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I'll state this as simply as I can....

If you feel the need to run some sort of addititve or oil "helper", you are obviously not running the right oil.

There isn't an oil additive that ISN'T snake oil in my opinion.



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Spoken like a true Amsoil salesman [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img]
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Most oil additives are nothing more than the same additives that the oil has in it.

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Which explains my use of the product, to replenish the additives after running the oil for a while and therefore, with proper filteration, extending drain intervals.

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Where does this blind faith come from? Because we see it on the side of a top fuel dragster?

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Actually after I saw them pour it into a top fuel dragster's crankcase and had a lengthy conversation with the engine builder about the benefits of using it I was interested, and now, after 20+ years of using it and subsequent engine tear down inspections I'm convinced, and will continue to use it.

I don't care if anyone uses it or not, I have nothing to gain by selling it or convincing anyone to or not to use it. Just giving my personal experience.
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Spoken like a true Amsoil salesman

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Why would Amsoil have anything to do with it? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img] What if I sold Mobil? Would you say "spoken like a true Mobil dealer?

I asked for a simple task.
Call the company's whose oil your using and ask them? They will all tell you the same thing. Please don't twist this into an Amsoil thing so you can attempt to discount what I'm saying. I don't care if your running Shell Rotella. I'll tell you the same thing. Don't mess with it. If you feel you've run it too long, change it for goodness sake.

I've given my .02. I really don't wish to argue over it. Those that want to learn will do their own homework.

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The opening post asked if anyone had actually used the product, have you?

If not, then what informamtion do you feel qualified to give pertaining to the use of it?

Have you ever seen first hand evidence of adverse affects from the use of this product?

I was answering the original poster's question as to personal experience of which I have plenty (over 20yrs and 2 million combined miles from various pieces of commercial equipment)
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[ QUOTE ]
I'll state this as simply as I can....

If you feel the need to run some sort of addititve or oil "helper", you are obviously not running the right oil.

There isn't an oil additive that ISN'T snake oil in my opinion.



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Spoken like a true Amsoil salesman [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img]

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As to the above mentioned quote, your statement would lead most to ask the question "What is the right oil?"

My comment was in response to the obvious answer...sorry for connecting the dots.
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Re: Lucas pure synthetic oil stabilizer

Thanks BoB for your imput!

Just use one of the Top Selling Diesel oils and U should'nt have any need for the so called snake oils, or modifiers.
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