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o.k. guys, i've got a 2000 f-450 7.3 turbo diesel, looks like i ran the truck about 10,000 miles with no oil change. well, was going home and truck started to slow down like it was out of gas. checked primary fuel circuit o.k.. checked codes and got: p0-1211,1212,1247,1248,1249,0603,0231. oil was 2 gallons low. changed oil, tried disconnecting icp, no start, no smoke, checked hpop and has oil. the codes indicate a secondary fuel problem. do i need to bleed any air from the hpop, or do ya'll think i have a bad pcm. any help, thanks

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Re: no start, low oil

Welcome to TDS...

The motor is very mad at you...

How much time have you given it to get the air out of the HP system?...

& did you fill the HPOP res before trying to start it?...

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it seemed after about a minute or so it would slow down on the bubling, so about a min or so between cranks. don't know how to properly bleed, any help? also hpop res looked filled, but i still put about a quart of oil in, seemed like extra oil went back to oil pan, dipstick level was increasing. also, truck was started alot of times before i got to check anything with the oil system.

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incase i'm misunderstood, everything that was done so far has not made the truck start and run, it only turns over with no indication of ignition. after truck killed, we tried cranking a bunch of times to get the truck to start. THEN WE CHECKED OIL... oil level was a bout 2 gallons low. cranked few more times, then checked hpop oil level. hpop oil Was Low. topped off and cranked again. rechecked hpop oil level and noticed air bubbles. capped and cranked more, checked and found more air bubbles. did this 4 times and no start. now changing ehgine oil, will update soon. thanks

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make sure you have a good charge on the batteries and the tach is moving when you crank it over.

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charge is good, tach moves. does anyone know how to purge the hpop, or is there a way? thanks

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Re: no start, low oil

If you are consistantly getting air in the oil, there is a good chance that the lube pump (LPOP),didn't survive,, The HPOP may be suspect also... Need a scanner to read some live data,,ICP IPR dc%....

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o.k. gonna get scanner back to read data, also no codes coming up on scanner after reseting prior codes. also i'm still lost as to how to properly bleed hpop. what i'm doing now is cranking till the oil gauge moves, then removing fill plug and checking, some times i get oil runnung out, some times i get no oil coming out but oil level is good with some small bubbles that last maybe a min or so. is this the correct way. thanks Rick for your help.

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Without knowing if you are making any ICP presuure , you may be wasting your time , If you are not getting any smoke while cranking , the inj's are not firing...Have you checked all of the fuses,, are you getting fuel.... You can help the bleeding process by loosening a rail plug on each head.....

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160 rpm on crank, icp (v) 0.24, icp 20 psi. no codes. doesn't seem to be pumping enough? got a friend over and went to extreme measures. got the truck started with starter fluid. shut er down and no restart. gonna look for fuses tomorrow. thanks again

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It sounds like the IPR is stuck open,,,,,

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i think you were right Rick. i checked all fuses again and did not find anything, also went ahead and took some local advise and ran her up and down the street. so far she cranks back up. gonna wait till tomorrow and try again, making sure oil from hpop stays good. so you think i might have unstuck the IPR? should i go ahead and replace it, and do ya'll have any tips on changing it out? you guys really helped out. awesome site. will get back to ya'll later. thanks again

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Why don't you wait a bit & see how it goes....Might be O K now....

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kewl. i'm gonna change the oil again bout middle of the week, kinda give it a flush. man this thing kicked my but for not keepin up with the maintenance. thanks Rick for all the help.

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