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Old 12-30-2012, 03:29 PM   #1 (permalink)
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What would cause a PCM to go out? About a year and a half ago, I had one go out and when we took it out of the truck a buddy of mine (who used to be a Ford mech) said that they hardly ever go out but there was evidence that the previous owner had a chip in it and that sometimes causes problems. I had it rebuilt by Ford and now it seems like I've lost another one. A different buddy let me borrow a scanner and it's not able to connect to the PCM, just like last time. I have an Edge Evolution programmer connected to the data link connector but I don't ever use it for anything but temp reading and a tach.

Could that be the problem? Is there any other way to check and see if it's dead? All my fuses are good and I don't know what else to try. The buddy who worked for Ford had a Ford scanner and it read that the PCM was bad but the regular scanner just says it won't connect.
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Old 12-30-2012, 03:39 PM   #2 (permalink)
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What are the symptoms, other than not starting and not connecting? I guess the best way to check the pcm is to try it in another truck, but other than that, it is checking all the critical input/outputs to see if they are there. The biggest ones would be the power and grounds.
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When I turn the key on, I can hear the fuel pump come on and there is fuel in the bowl. It turns over and cranks fine but there isn't a sputter or cough of it trying to start and I'm not getting smoke of any color out of the tailpipe. Batteries are fine and I don't have a multimeter so I can't check the gpr but I turned the key on last night to see if there was a change in light output after the gpr would have normally shut off and there was no change. Unfortunately, I'm not very good at electrical stuff but I've checked connections and all the fuses under the dash and in the power distribution box and they all seem fine. Last time the pcm went out we confirmed it by putting another pcm in but the guy doesn't have access to them anymore, so that avenue won't work.

Added: Just checked and I've got power to the gpr but not to the other big post when the key is turned on so the gpr isn't coming on but now I'll have to try jumping the posts to see if that does any good.
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What about the Wait to Start light? Does the tach move while cranking?
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I don't know if it's a light bulb issue or what but this truck didn't have a WTS light when I got it 2 years ago and I've just never messed with it, since it's just a dummy light. No movement of the tach at all. Ive read where some folks say that means it's a CPS issue but others say that it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with it.
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No movement on the tach CAN be the cps, which will prevent the truck from trying to start, or it could be a bad pcm. It would be a wise thing to try the cps first.
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Old 12-31-2012, 01:49 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Agreed and I think I have an extra one around here I bought and tried when the last PCM went out. Lets hope it's just that....
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No tach movement AND no smoke are both symptoms that you could have a bad CPS. It's a quick check if you already have a spare (you should always have a spare) CPS.
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Just tried it with a new CPS and no difference. Still just turns over and this time I even tried it after having the block heater on for several hours.
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What is the oil level in the engine? I blew an o-ring and consumed oil like it was free and the HPOP got starved and truck would not start. Probably not your issue but something to check.
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I'm missing the allen wrench to check the hpop but the main oil level in the truck is fine.
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