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I had a dealer who handled Scheaffer's oil products here in Utah but the phone is no longer being answered.
Does anyone know where I can get some of their trans fluid?
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http://www.schaefferoil.com/

Click on "Retail Outlet Locator" and you'll probably find some. The nearest one to me is over 100 miles either north or south, so I don't use it. My local oil distributor used to handle Schaeffer's, but the small volume wasn't worth his effort so he no longer is a dealer.

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I had a dealer who handled Scheaffer's oil products here in Utah but the phone is no longer being answered.
Does anyone know where I can get some of their trans fluid?
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My source for Schaeffer's products is: http://specializedlubricants.net/

They sell at wholesale and will give free shipping for orders over $250.

You will have to phone in the order though because their website isn't very informative for much more than their contact info.

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Thanks all! Jim Smart of Riverton, UT has been located and I put in an order today. His # is (801) 253-7358 and orders are free shipping over $250. The Trans fluid is $76 for a five gallon bucket.
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Isn't Scaeffer's ATF dual rated mercon and mercon V which Ford does not recommend for 7.3 Powerstrokes????
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Isn't Scaeffer's ATF dual rated mercon and mercon V which Ford does not recommend for 7.3 Powerstrokes????

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Actually YES, it IS dual rated. Which I find very interesting knowing that some very vocal "anti-dual rated" people on this board have a BTS tranny that was filled with this stuff and they are preaching NO dual rated yet that is exactly what they had/have in their BTS.

That being said, Ford's announcement about not using dual rated fluids is very broad and there is NO way they tested every dual rated fluid out there to verify it is good or bad so it is likely that if BTS says the stuff is OK, then it is OK.

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Isn't Scaeffer's ATF dual rated mercon and mercon V which Ford does not recommend for 7.3 Powerstrokes????

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According to the Schaeffer Oil Website, the 204S product is "formulated to meet the lubrication requirments of those U.S. and import car manufacturers that specify the use of either a Dexron, Dexron II-E, Dexron III or Mercon Type fluid". I don't have a bottle in front of me so I'm not sure if the label lists Mercon or Mercon/Mercon V.

I'm in the process of buying a BTS transmission and had a conversation with Brian about this very subject yesterday afternoon. When I asked him what fluid I should run in my new tranny his reply was "anything you want". His explanation was that Mercon V is too slippery for the stock 4R100 but since the trannys he builds have completely different friction surfaces Mercon V is fine.
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Re: Schaeffer's Transmission Fluid?

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Actually YES, it IS dual rated. Which I find very interesting knowing that some very vocal "anti-dual rated" people on this board have a BTS tranny that was filled with this stuff and they are preaching NO dual rated yet that is exactly what they had/have in their BTS.

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A BTS tranny is not a Ford 4R100. The only thing Ford about a BTS tranny is the outside case. Everything inside the tranny case is replaced when BTS bullet-proofs your tranny. And for those many special parts in a BTS tranny, BTS uses Schaeffer's DEXRON III/MERCON synthetic blend ATF.

So when you have a stock Ford tranny, go by what Ford says.

But when you have a BTS tranny, run what Brian put in there. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/warmsmile.gif[/img]

Brian is the one that stands behind his trannies - not Ford. But Ford is the one that stands behind the stock tranny - not Brian.
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Re: Schaeffer's Transmission Fluid?

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Isn't Scaeffer's ATF dual rated mercon and mercon V which Ford does not recommend for 7.3 Powerstrokes????

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Actually YES, it IS dual rated. Which I find very interesting knowing that some very vocal "anti-dual rated" people on this board have a BTS tranny that was filled with this stuff and they are preaching NO dual rated yet that is exactly what they had/have in their BTS.

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Only problem is that BTS is not a FORD tranny and you have to IMO go with who provides the tranny ... for Ford that is Ford for a BTS that is Brian ... A BTS is NOT A FORD TRANNY ... his clutches and internals might be compatible with whatever fluid he is using and how he puts his tranny together. I recommend that you follow what the maker of your tranny recommends. Heck Brian could use straight 30W engine oil and say he will warranty his trannies only using that .... and guess what I would use .... what he recommends and will warrant. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

I think you might be trying to make a point here that is not germane in what Ford might do and what a person that gives you a completely different tranny in a Ford casing gives you. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

When I was there I asked if I could use my Mobil 1 to top off his tranny and if I could use Mobil 1 when I did my first tranny service and to both he said "FINE" good enough for me from my tranny maker and went no further. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img]

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Isn't Scaeffer's ATF dual rated mercon and mercon V which Ford does not recommend for 7.3 Powerstrokes????

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According to the Schaeffer Oil Website, the 204S product is "formulated to meet the lubrication requirments of those U.S. and import car manufacturers that specify the use of either a Dexron, Dexron II-E, Dexron III or Mercon Type fluid". I don't have a bottle in front of me so I'm not sure if the label lists Mercon or Mercon/Mercon V.

I'm in the process of buying a BTS transmission and had a conversation with Brian about this very subject yesterday afternoon. When I asked him what fluid I should run in my new tranny his reply was "anything you want". His explanation was that Mercon V is too slippery for the stock 4R100 but since the trannys he builds have completely different friction surfaces Mercon V is fine.

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Here is Schaeffer's product info about this particular fluid: http://www.schaefferoil.com/datapdf/204SAT.pdf

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Actually YES, it IS dual rated. Which I find very interesting knowing that some very vocal "anti-dual rated" people on this board have a BTS tranny that was filled with this stuff and they are preaching NO dual rated yet that is exactly what they had/have in their BTS.

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A BTS tranny is not a Ford 4R100. The only thing Ford about a BTS tranny is the outside case. Everything inside the tranny case is replaced when BTS bullet-proofs your tranny. And for those many special parts in a BTS tranny, BTS uses Schaeffer's DEXRON III/MERCON synthetic blend ATF.

So when you have a stock Ford tranny, go by what Ford says.

But when you have a BTS tranny, run what Brian put in there. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/warmsmile.gif[/img]

Brian is the one that stands behind his trannies - not Ford. But Ford is the one that stands behind the stock tranny - not Brian.

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The exact fluid Brian uses is: Schaeffer's 204S-AT. Which also known as All Trans Supreme or Dexron-III supreme. This is the spcific info on it: http://www.schaefferoil.com/datapdf/204SAT.pdf

Anyway, I realize who pays for the tranny repairs if you don't follow Ford's advice if the OEM 4R100 is still under warranty. However, from what I understand, it's the seals and sometimes the clutch material adhesive that has the Mercon-V issue due to the higher friction modifier load of the ATF and I believe the seal and clutch material are very similar between BTS and OEM. That being said, I'm sure the Schaeffer's will work without issue if there is no longer any warranty on your OEM tranny.

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Actually YES, it IS dual rated. Which I find very interesting knowing that some very vocal "anti-dual rated" people on this board have a BTS tranny that was filled with this stuff and they are preaching NO dual rated yet that is exactly what they had/have in their BTS.

[/ QUOTE ]

A BTS tranny is not a Ford 4R100. The only thing Ford about a BTS tranny is the outside case. Everything inside the tranny case is replaced when BTS bullet-proofs your tranny. And for those many special parts in a BTS tranny, BTS uses Schaeffer's DEXRON III/MERCON synthetic blend ATF.

So when you have a stock Ford tranny, go by what Ford says.

But when you have a BTS tranny, run what Brian put in there. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/warmsmile.gif[/img]

Brian is the one that stands behind his trannies - not Ford. But Ford is the one that stands behind the stock tranny - not Brian.

[/ QUOTE ]

The exact fluid Brian uses is: Schaeffer's 204S-AT. Which also known as All Trans Supreme or Dexron-III supreme. This is the spcific info on it: http://www.schaefferoil.com/datapdf/204SAT.pdf

Anyway, I realize who pays for the tranny repairs if you don't follow Ford's advice if the OEM 4R100 is still under warranty. However, from what I understand, it's the seals and sometimes the clutch material adhesive that has the Mercon-V issue due to the higher friction modifier load of the ATF and I believe the seal and clutch material are very similar between BTS and OEM. That being said, I'm sure the Schaeffer's will work without issue if there is no longer any warranty on your OEM tranny.

Hammer

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Well as you say you can assume whatever and I don't know, but about the only thing that was stock from my tranny was some shafts (I'm not in the 600 HP club) and the pump which was good ... everything else except the case was replaced.

Point is to pay attention to what your tranny builder says if the are reputable and I fell Brian is and go from there.

I'll leave all this "clutch material adhesive", "friction modifier" and seal/clutch material stuff to who I paid the money to sort out and in this case it was Brian. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/warmsmile.gif[/img]

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Actually YES, it IS dual rated. Which I find very interesting knowing that some very vocal "anti-dual rated" people on this board have a BTS tranny that was filled with this stuff and they are preaching NO dual rated yet that is exactly what they had/have in their BTS.

[/ QUOTE ]

A BTS tranny is not a Ford 4R100. The only thing Ford about a BTS tranny is the outside case. Everything inside the tranny case is replaced when BTS bullet-proofs your tranny. And for those many special parts in a BTS tranny, BTS uses Schaeffer's DEXRON III/MERCON synthetic blend ATF.

So when you have a stock Ford tranny, go by what Ford says.

But when you have a BTS tranny, run what Brian put in there. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/warmsmile.gif[/img]

Brian is the one that stands behind his trannies - not Ford. But Ford is the one that stands behind the stock tranny - not Brian.

[/ QUOTE ]

The exact fluid Brian uses is: Schaeffer's 204S-AT. Which also known as All Trans Supreme or Dexron-III supreme. This is the spcific info on it: http://www.schaefferoil.com/datapdf/204SAT.pdf

Anyway, I realize who pays for the tranny repairs if you don't follow Ford's advice if the OEM 4R100 is still under warranty. However, from what I understand, it's the seals and sometimes the clutch material adhesive that has the Mercon-V issue due to the higher friction modifier load of the ATF and I believe the seal and clutch material are very similar between BTS and OEM. That being said, I'm sure the Schaeffer's will work without issue if there is no longer any warranty on your OEM tranny.

Hammer

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Well as you say you can assume whatever and I don't know, but about the only thing that was stock from my tranny was some shafts (I'm not in the 600 HP club) and the pump which was good ... everything else except the case was replaced.

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Larry, i think you misunderstood me. I didn't mean he re-used the OEM seals and clutches that were in your OEM trans. I meant that some are actually FORD sourced and may be the same as the originals. I do not know personally if this is the case or not. All i know is what was told to me by somebody but I do not hold what that person said as gospel.

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