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Old 08-01-2009, 12:48 PM   #1 (permalink)
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where to buy 4r100 transmission

best prices? want something that will last with a 10" lift and 38" tires. also I am not sure what is broken but I think it is the input shaft that has snapped? the truck wouldnt move in gear and wouldnt stop rolling in park if it were on a hill.
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That's not the input shaft. The output shaft is what holds the truck in park, not the input.
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I would say you have three viable choices.

A Ford rebuilt 4R100 tranny has a three-year Ford warranty. About $2,200 for the tranny, plus labor to R&R and fill it with MERCON V ATF.

Ford also now offers a HD 4R100 rebuilt tranny. It also has a three-year warranty, but Ford says it's meant to compete with the BTS and John Woods rebuilt trannies. That one is almost $3,000 plus R&R and ATF.

If you want the best, and darn the price, then you want a BTS. About $4,500 plus shipping both ways plus the R&R and ATF.
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The Ford rebuilt trannies are available at any Ford dealer. Some dealers will price-match other dealers that advertise on the internet. So get the price from Wabash Ford near Indianapolis and see if your dealer will match it. For example, here's the normal 4R100 for your truck. Call them to see how much more the HD version is.
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Is the truck a 4x4? If so, look at the transfer case. It is more likely the problem.
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Hmm, hope this post stays clean

Adding to Smokey's post. If you read up on any of the powerstroke forurms, your 4R100 options boil down into 2 options.

BTS - Brians Truck Shop

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John Wood Automotive

They both cost near the same, and should be the last transmission you will ever need for your truck.

If you plan on keeping your truck for a long time, then one of these two options is a great investment.

If you live in the Western United States, go with John Woods; If you live in the Eastern United States, go with BTS.

What ever your choice is, good luck.
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ive taken the driveshafts off and when the tranny is in park i cant rotate the transfer case but when i had the truck in park before, it would just roll down the hill?? what do you think I broke if i stepped on it and something broke when it downshifted. it will shift through the gears but wont move the truck at all. transfer case shifts from 2wd to 4wd but still wont move the truck ...no grinding noises or anything
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ive taken the driveshafts off and when the tranny is in park i cant rotate the transfer case but when i had the truck in park before, it would just roll down the hill?? what do you think I broke if i stepped on it and something broke when it downshifted. it will shift through the gears but wont move the truck at all. transfer case shifts from 2wd to 4wd but still wont move the truck ...no grinding noises or anything
How many miles are on the rig? Any past work done on the trans or t-case? Do you 4X4 often? Sounds like an internal Transfer Case issue but could also be a trans issue. Do you get any engagement in 4X4 Low? When the truck would roll in park did you get any clunk/ratcheting noise that would coincide with speed? Have you checked the fluid in the t-case?

A couple things you could check would be removing the electric motor off the t-case (I'm assuming it has one) and try getting an engagement in the t-case by playing with the shift shaft. It may be futile but worth a try. Also drain the fluid, if any comes out for contaminents...I've seen a couple that have broken the shift forks, or the inserts have burned off when they've run low or out of oil.

If that all seems okay, then drop the pan on the trans and check the rooster comb nut for loosening up on the shift shaft or something broken in the shifter area of the trans. Have someone shift through the gears while you inspect with a bright light. This is usually quite rare but can be common if previously worked on
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smokey, i know this has been beat to death but,,, everybody say bts or john wood, heres the thing suncoast is less than 60 miles from me ( ft walton fl) what is the general opinion on their stuff???
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Don't let any of these dudes tell you that a Suncoast isn't one of THE best tranny's in the business. I ran one in my 2002 7.3 with 400hp and ran it for 130k when I sold it. That truck now has 280k and is running fine. You can't go wrong with a Suncoast and if the Suncoast shop is that close to you, then it's a no brainer. Get the Suncoast. You'll love it.
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... suncoast is less than 60 miles from me ( ft walton fl) what is the general opinion on their stuff???
Suncoast makes good stuff. They are a mass-market outfit that sells quality stuff to their customers.

BTS and John Wood specialize in the hot-rod end of the business. They build bulletproof trannies that will live with high horsepower and the abuse of racing. Brian Thompson at BTS dares you to break one of his 4R100 trannies, regardless of how much power your engine produces. If you can break it, he'll fix it free.

I don't have high horsepower and I don't race, but I figured if a BTS can live behind one of David Lott's engines in his SnowWhite race truck, then it will live behind my mildly hot-rodded towing machine with only 300 horses. I've had my BTS for 5 years. It has been a reliable tranny with absolutely no problems. I don't know if I could say the same about a Suncoast.

Brian started his career hot-rodding diesel trucks. He could make them produce gobs of power, but he couldn't keep an automagic tranny from blowing up behind his race engines. And he couldn't find anyone to build him a bulletproof 4R100 tranny that would live behind his engines. Not even Suncoast. So he began tearing into his busted 4R100 trannies and replacing broken parts with better parts. Before long, by replacing almost every part inside the tranny with stronger parts, he could build a 4R100 that would live behind his hot-rod engines. Then other racers asked him to build them one of those bulletproof trannies. And that's how BTS became famous for building bulletproof 4R100 trannies.

If you watch Brian build a tranny, you'll notice that almost every part he removes from inside the tranny goes in the trash bin. Many of those parts look as good as new, but Brian replaces them with higher-quality, stronger, parts. And he also has a few "trade secrets" that he's learned to include in his trannies. He makes some holes bigger and some smaller to give the tranny the proper shifting "feel".

Brian is proud of his work, and he charges for it. That's why the typical 4R100 rebuild now costs around $4,500. But worth it.
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What about ATS, which is closer to me?
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You don't have to go to the ATS or to the Suncoast shop to get a new tranny. If you want an exchange for your tranny, just call and make arrangements. Just make sure that you use a local tranny shop that you can trust. Also don't buy just a new tranny without also getting a beffy torque converter. I would recommend the Suncoast tranny. In fact, Suncoast has a rebuild kit for $500 that vastly improves what you have, plus the cost of the TC at $2000 and you will save about $3,000 over a BTS or Woods, and still have a great tranny setup.
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A Ford rebuilt 4R100 tranny has a three-year Ford warranty. About $2,200 for the tranny, plus labor to R&R and fill it with MERCON V ATF.

Ford also now offers a HD 4R100 rebuilt tranny. It also has a three-year warranty, but Ford says it's meant to compete with the BTS and John Woods rebuilt trannies. That one is almost $3,000 plus R&R and ATF.
Unless he takes the lift and tires off, I don't see the warranty working. want something that will last with a 10" lift and 38" tires.
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In fact, Suncoast has a rebuild kit for $500 that vastly improves what you have, plus the cost of the TC at $2000 and you will save about $3,000 over a BTS or Woods, and still have a great tranny setup.
But does that include the cost to rebuild and the warranty to the trans? Otherwise you are comparing apples to oranges. I just replaced a turbo in the wife's car. MB wanted $1800. I did it for $900. Well, I got it aftermarket and I did the labor. How are those comparable?
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Either way you drive away with a new turbo. Option #2 leaves an extra $900 in your pocket. There are many guys here who are willing to work on their own given you purchase a couple of specialty tools here and there.

The BTS/JW rant gets a little old after a while. It's not the ONLY option.

If you have more cash than brains (or don't have the time) get a BTS/JW. If you got a brain (and not so much cash) do it yourself. That's pretty much the bottom line. There are lots of 4R100 rebuild kits/parts/upgrades available for DIY folks.
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