Upgrades and Aftermarket - 99 & up 7.3L EngineUpgrading or adding OEM or aftermarket equipment to your 1999-Up Super Duty or Excursion with 7.3L Power Stroke diesel engine. Please confine discussion of topics in this forum to those items that are specific to the 7.3L Power Stroke engine.
how can the 7.3 be antiquated? int still produces the engines as far as i know. and plus the parts avaiable for the 7.3 will probably be around longer than the 6.4. just my .02
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What i'm saying is, if i have my 78b camaro w/ a 4bl 350 do i rebuild it, knowing good and well that factory wise it was good as it could get at that time, however better heads, cams, throttle body etc.. came along could i rebuild it with those add ons or drop in an LS1?
I agree completely that the 7.3 will be around 4ever however unless i put a lot of $$ out, since i need another motor + the power adders + an auto or do i grab a 6.4 that has hp i need and use the corresponding tranny w/it + the respective controller. I have calculated it and dollar for dollar i can probably do the 6.4 for less than the 7.3.
The 08/09 trucks are still the same chasis. So many parts can be changed over. If you had a rolled donor truck and had ALOT of energy you could make the swap I think. Ive seen front clip changes, dash changes, everything but engine. Youd have to do a complete swap tho. Engine/ tranny harness from 08/09 truck. All the computers ( PCM, IDM, ect). You might even have to swap more. I think all the trucks have the anti roll stuff on them that the PCM would control? But the engine mounts and tranny mounts should bolt in or come close enough to modify to fit. It would be alot of work tho cause it would require installing the new harnesses. Definatly not a weekend job tho. Sounds like alot of hidden obsticles would go with it. Just depends on how much you get your donor parts for... A stock 7.3 without PMR's will make over 300 fairly easy with just bolt ons. Stage 2 injectors will get you 400. I would carefully weigh the options.
I agree it won't be a weekend job and i can get all the harness, pcm etc.. so that can be done.
I can get a low milage 6.4 from a rolled application, guaranteed to work for about 5000, then the trans from 1395-1950!!!
Think about it 7000k for a newer set up w/ only a tuner making 500+hp or i'll spend around 3-5K for a used 7.3, closer to 7-10K for a rebuilt plus another 4K for inj, bb turbo that is anywhere from 7K to 14K NOT including an auto tranny!!
I keep doing the math over and over and I just can't see any rationale in getting a used 7.3 w/ 100k+ miles and throwing another 4K on top plus another 4K for a BTS... it just doesn't make sense to me.
The 6.4 may be a PIA but i have the time and it would be extremely unique and i'm already ahead knowing i can put the trans in and there are controllers for it regardless of pcm and it will hold up to the #'s so far and give me better ratios to boot.
Well see what happens... no rush but i'll definately post things here if the project goes, 7.3 or 6.4
Someone has to be first to do this kind of swap. I vote you go for it!
thanks for the vote of encouragement but after talking w/ several diesel techs, they keep telling me to rebuild or buy a reman 7.3. I was told "the 6.0 and 6.4 is what keeps this shop ticking. The 7.3 will outlast both of them."
I spoke w/ 3 seperate guys and they are all telling me the same thing. that it might cost a bit more to do the 7.3 but i'd be happier w/ it in the end. It should last a lot longer and will be more reliable.
I'm still on the fence but DI has a decent reman short block for sale.
If theres one thing I have learned from the jeep community, that is anything is possible! I say go for it. Do because you haven't seen it done or just because you want to. As far as an LS1 in your camaro we have been putting LS3's in jeeps for awhile now. Just don't expect it to happen over night. Buy a compleat truck, start measuring, do lots of reading up on the differances and don't throw anything away. It will happen eventualy might as well be you.
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This is crazy talk there powerlifter. Next time you have a few beers maybe stay away from the login page, lol!!
I'm all for improving our early series Super Duties but swapping in a 6.4 is not good logic, if you really want to improve the truck then swap in the later suspension, brakes, seats, whatever else that can be thougt of as a definite improvement.
From what I hear the new five speed auto that came out in 03 would a big one, and something that so far nobody has figured how to make work behind a 7.3. I'm not sure it would even bolt up but If I were to embark on some seemingly impossible task that's what I'd have in mind.
This is crazy talk there powerlifter. Next time you have a few beers maybe stay away from the login page, lol!!
I'm all for improving our early series Super Duties but swapping in a 6.4 is not good logic, if you really want to improve the truck then swap in the later suspension, brakes, seats, whatever else that can be thougt of as a definite improvement.
From what I hear the new five speed auto that came out in 03 would a big one, and something that so far nobody has figured how to make work behind a 7.3. I'm not sure it would even bolt up but If I were to embark on some seemingly impossible task that's what I'd have in mind.
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I agree and want to either do a full traction suspension conversion or grab a front axle off a 05 on up and do a one off.
destroked can make the adapter for the 5R110 and PCS makes the computer so it seems that i'm pretty much covered.
As of right now, i may grab a 7.3 short block from BWD or DI and go from there.
It would not be hard but very time consuming to do the swap if you had a complete donor truck.Everything that is conected to the computor would have to be swapped as well as the motor, tranny, and transfer case.You would need alot of room to lay out both trucks and swap everything over.To go out and buy the individual pieces would not be worth it.
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Unless you could remove all the unnecesary emissions stuff, why do it? The 6.4 was purpose built from the beginning to meet emissions, so it sounds like a long hard science project. Granted, the power potential is awesome though.
It would not be hard but very time consuming to do the swap if you had a complete donor truck.Everything that is conected to the computor would have to be swapped as well as the motor, tranny, and transfer case.You would need alot of room to lay out both trucks and swap everything over.To go out and buy the individual pieces would not be worth it.
It could be done with a complete doner truck It will be a lot of work. I know a guy that did somthing similer to an older suberban with a big block from a wrecked avalanch. He said he would never try that again. I would rebuild the 7.3 it is a better engine. or wait for the new 2010 ford built powerstroke and put that in.
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It could be done with a complete doner truck It will be a lot of work. I know a guy that did somthing similer to an older suberban with a big block from a wrecked avalanch. He said he would never try that again. I would rebuild the 7.3 it is a better engine. or wait for the new 2010 ford built powerstroke and put that in.
like i was saying, after speaking w/ several ford mech. they all tell me the same thing, spend the $$ to get the 7.3 where i want. it will last a lot long and perform better in the long run.
You can get a complete forged rod short block for $3500, a complete long block for $4000... Good set of hybrid injectors, studs, valve springs and turbo for another 4k.... now another 4k for a tranny and your done. You have your 500hp and you dont have a bastard truck that will never run...
5k for a 6.4 (so you say...) another 2-3k for a tranny (all of which are used) and you have what? nothing... Now you need motor mounts, Tcase mounts, PCM/ECM... Wire harnesses. labor and time to wire the dash, lights, brake systems, OBD2 ports... You would be in it over 15k before you even got started... let alone any performance things.
LOL... Your time...yep Your money...thats why i plan to win the lottery!
Where are you getting your numbers from??? The number fairy duh?!
You can get a complete forged rod short block for $3500, a complete long block for $4000... + a few hundred for shipping....Good set of hybrid injectors at least $2300, studs $700+, valve springs $800 and turbo $1800 for another 4k.... $5600 I guess my math is different than yours but thats ok! now another 4k for a tranny Plus a core charge for the auto I don't have.... and your done. That alone is closer to $11,000, not 8k for the tranny and motor add ons.....You have your 500hp and you dont have a bastard truck that will never run... Correct, for example a DI set up w/ 500 should be do-able, a little pricy but reliable and very do-able.
5k for a 6.4 (so you say...Yes I do say, bawhahaha) Yeah, thats right!!! I did my research and found a few. another 2-3k for a tranny (all of which are used) And?? and you have what? nothing... Now you need motor mounts, Tcase mounts, PCM/ECM... Wire harnesses. labor and time to wire the dash, lights, brake systems, OBD2 ports... I can get a complete wiring harness for a few hundred. What labor? I do things myself. You would be in it over 15k before you even got started... let alone any performance things.
I guess you missed this...
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thanks for the vote of encouragement but after talking w/ several diesel techs, they keep telling me to rebuild or buy a reman 7.3. I was told "the 6.0 and 6.4 is what keeps this shop ticking. The 7.3 will outlast both of them."
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I spoke w/ 3 seperate guys and they are all telling me the same thing. that it might cost a bit more to do the 7.3 but i'd be happier w/ it in the end. It should last a lot longer and will be more reliable.
I'm still on the fence but DI has a decent reman short block for sale.
... Ive seen front clip changes, dash changes,....
Do you have link to someone who did an 08 dash swap.....I want that dash in my 02. I talked with the Ford guys I work with at International....and they said "it can be done, but..." the pillars and door panels would not play nice together is the highlight of the long conversation.
Powerlifter,
The 6.4 is a good motor when it is made illegal.....i.e. EGR block......
Its the closest thing I've seen to the old 7.3, but the if you live somewhere you have yearly EPA inspections then you are boned. Me personaly, I will stick with the 7.3 because it has the best overall balance of power, reliability, and fuel economy. The big flaw with the 6.4, other than the EPA crud, is that the fuel system does not like to see anything but ultra low sulfar diesel.......dirt, bad diesel, and water especially will gernade the system
To all others I suggest that you go watch www.powerstokehelp.com and watch his review of the 7.3, 6.0, and 6.4 to settle your debate of which is better.
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fortunately, i would have only have to meet the 02 epa requirement however the point is becoming moot. After repeatedly talking w/ some ford mechanics down here, they are all telling me the same thing. I spoke w/ one guy in particular who i was attempting to enlist do all the dirty work, i'm getting lazy as i get a bit older, he even suggested to stick w/ the 7.3. i'm just trying to get things priced out for the build this summer.
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. Just don't expect it to happen over night. Buy a compleat truck, start measuring, do lots of reading up on the differances and don't throw anything away. It will happen eventualy might as well be you.
duh?! 
I guess my math is different than yours but thats ok! 
another 2-3k for a tranny (all of which are used) And?? and you have what? nothing... Now you need motor mounts, Tcase mounts, PCM/ECM... Wire harnesses. labor and time to wire the dash, lights, brake systems, OBD2 ports... I can get a complete wiring harness for a few hundred. What labor? I do things myself. You would be in it over 15k before you even got started... let alone any performance things.
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