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Old 11-06-2006, 06:09 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Has anyone known of or has data on installing an Allison automatic truck tranny in a '99 super duty 7.3L w/ 6sp ZF manual? Adapter plates? Interface problems w/computer?

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Hello 2BFARM,

Welcome to the forum.

I used the search function and plugged the word "Allison" into it and got 92 hits. You'll have to change a few prompts as I did like "1 year" and "subject only".
Give it a try and I think you'll be more than satisfied.
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Interface problems w/computer?

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Major, major problem. The modern Allison trannies are all computer controlled. The computer (PCM) in your truck talks to a Ford 4R100 tranny, but it won't talk to a GM tranny. The GM tranny speaks GM, not Ford, so it can't understand what the PCM is telling it to do. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]

I spent over 30 years as a professional computer systems developer. I speak several different computer languages. But trying to get a Ford PCM to talk to a GM tranny is way, way above my head. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]

But it might depend on exactly which Allison tranny you have in mind. The really-old Allisons that were in school buses 40 years ago were not computer controlled. If you could find room for it under a SuperDuty body, it might work without much computer interface. But if memory serves, that was a really awful tranny that nobody in his right mind would recommend to their worst enemy. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]

If you want to swap out the ZF 6-speed hand shaker in your pickup, then the simplest way would be to install a Ford 4R100 automagic tranny, along with a PCM for a '99 with automagic tranny. One guy that does that sort of thing for a living is Brian Thompson at www.brianstruckshop.com - give him a holler.
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Saw something over the weekend that indicates there's now an outfit selling a stand-alone wiring harness and controller setup for the Allison T1000 transmission, but I don't have any contact information or any time to search for it myself (plus no real desire... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]).
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You could try PCS transcontroler, It runs my 4R100 great.
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Saw something over the weekend that indicates there's now an outfit selling a stand-alone wiring harness and controller setup for the Allison T1000 transmission, but I don't have any contact information or any time to search for it myself (plus no real desire... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]).

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On one of them truck shows on spike they built a suburban into a hummer and used a duramax and allison and they had a stand alone computer for the tranny. Cant remember the company they said made it
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that was on "Xtreme 4x4". maybe they have info on their website about it?
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http://www.powertraincontrolsolutions.com/
they have the controller your looking for so now if someone can figure out how to fit the allison to the 7.3L your on to something especially if the controller uses the six speed witht he manuel function BUT will it cost less thes a BTS or ATS. remember now you have the controller, trans, mounts, adapters to engine and trasfer case, driveshafts. its our dream to have a six speed allison behind a built 7.3L but this looks like a 6 grand project at least. good luck let us know not trying to burst your bubble but i be tthe adapter for the trans. to enigne doesnt exist the transmission is more like the size of the torqeshift and the 4r100 is a very large bellhousing. i could be wrong if someone knows of one im all ears.
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Re: Allison Transmission installation

personally i'd rather have a professionally built 4R100 behind my engine.
I'm not really that impressed with the allison. It hold up to my buddies heavy foot, but he's running stock power so that's not a huge accomplishment.
plus, if big power is your goal you'd need the money to install the allison, but even more money to upgrade it as well. where as a built 4R100 slides right into place.
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Has anyone known of or has data on installing an Allison automatic truck tranny in a '99 super duty 7.3L w/ 6sp ZF manual? Adapter plates? Interface problems w/computer?

Thanks a million.

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Two of my buddies are running D-max's with Allisons. Both are doing performance mods. Now, acting up, both are looking to get performance Allison rebuilds (one a stage 4 ($5K), and the other a stage 5 ($6K)). So, looking at a mod'd Allison plus the PSD conversion kits, wiring harnasses, PCM/TCM mods, etc. Well, I'd say a full blown John Woods, BTS, Suncoast or other 4R100 for about $4+K would be a much wiser choice.
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The big power guys are breaking billet shafts on the Cummins 4x4 applications are now looking at going to the Allison.The allison with billet shafts can take it but to convert is major bucks! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]There is a kit for the cummins & sure they would do one for a Ford if there is enough intrest but I doubt it.ATS does it for the Cummins but a full built trans & stand alone controller is $12,000. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif[/img]The older non computer controlled Allison is poop especially in our application.If you ever see the intermediate shaft in a 4R100 it is a wonder it can take the power of a 5.0 motor! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/vomit.gif[/img]
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Saw something over the weekend that indicates there's now an outfit selling a stand-alone wiring harness and controller setup for the Allison T1000 transmission, but I don't have any contact information or any time to search for it myself (plus no real desire... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]).

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On one of them truck shows on spike they built a suburban into a hummer and used a duramax and allison and they had a stand alone computer for the tranny. Cant remember the company they said made it

[/ QUOTE ] Your still using a GM PCM,,so it would work I bet.
Diesel Power magazine this month had a small section where that question was asked, they said several companys are working on it, but no idea when available I think. It was in one of the letters to the editors sections if I remember right.
The one guy wanted a BULLIT PROOF one for his Cummins, that is already available with the adapter plate for the 4R100 and the control box, and a BTS! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smokin.gif[/img] guess he dont know that!
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Re: Allison Transmission installation

Here is some info I typed sometime ago on the subject, The Ally is 2x...ney 10x the tranny the 4R100 is:

The Allison will bolt up if you switch to the Commercial 7.3 Bell Housing like the MD 7.3s used. You can find them used for around $300 used.

You would need a GM transfer case (use the 261) as the spline count is different than the Ford.
You would need a 7 position gear selector.
You would need to adjust your driveline lengths.
You would need the TCM from an Allison that matched that tranny. TCM is the computer.
You would need to build a simple wiring harness and tie into a 12V source, the TPS, on/off brake light for unlocking the TC under hard stops, and ignition.
You would need the commercial flywheel and crank drive hub.
And the only hard part, you have to find someone who can reprogram the TCM to work w/ your motor. There is a dude in Indiana that does it and a guy in CA I think.

It is a MUCH better tranny than what we have and for around 3K you can build it up w/ a Suncoast kit and it would be bad.

Personally I'd have to have the 6 speed double OD version although you can convert the old 5 speeds to a 6 speed for about $1600.

Hope that helps.
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One of the bigger trans companys is working on this now and should have at least the prototype in about a couple of months. As I understand it, parts are being machined now.
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Here is some info I typed sometime ago on the subject, The Ally is 2x...ney 10x the tranny the 4R100 is:

The Allison will bolt up if you switch to the Commercial 7.3 Bell Housing like the MD 7.3s used. You can find them used for around $300 used.

You would need a GM transfer case (use the 261) as the spline count is different than the Ford.
You would need a 7 position gear selector.
You would need to adjust your driveline lengths.
You would need the TCM from an Allison that matched that tranny. TCM is the computer.
You would need to build a simple wiring harness and tie into a 12V source, the TPS, on/off brake light for unlocking the TC under hard stops, and ignition.
You would need the commercial flywheel and crank drive hub.
And the only hard part, you have to find someone who can reprogram the TCM to work w/ your motor. There is a dude in Indiana that does it and a guy in CA I think.

It is a MUCH better tranny than what we have and for around 3K you can build it up w/ a Suncoast kit and it would be bad.

Personally I'd have to have the 6 speed double OD version although you can convert the old 5 speeds to a 6 speed for about $1600.

Hope that helps.

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