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Old 07-18-2006, 10:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Any Dyno Charts of ATS Housing VS. Wicked Wheel?

Hello there. I am about to purchase a chip, intake and exhaust and would like to keep my costs down as much as possible. I am trying to avoid surge and am considering the ats housing or the wicked wheel. I would like to know the differences between the two setups and maybe if someone has some dyno charts? It would be nice to see exactly what these will do for you. The information I have gathered soo far is that they will both help with surge, but what about the power bands and loosing power in the higher rpms ranges? Low end hp and tq?
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Re: Any Dyno Charts of ATS Housing VS. Wicked Wheel?

I don't have the sheets anywhere but on paper, but with the housing, you will get no surge. The wheel, makes noise. For the cost of the wheel , I would throw it in, because I like noise. If you don't like the surge, you need the ATS housing on the stock turbo. Plain and simple. You should also upgrade the exhaust housing to a larger unit as well. Like the Banks housing, or a Van housing...
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Re: Any Dyno Charts of ATS Housing VS. Wicked Wheel?

So the wicked wheel will not cure as much surge as the ats housing? Only thing bad about the ats housing is that its a long wait to get one! I dont mind the sound, because my truck is on 38" swampers, I dont hear much as it is because of the "roar" of the tires.
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Re: Any Dyno Charts of ATS Housing VS. Wicked Wheel?

Try the wheel first, it cures about 80% of surge issues alone.

After that you can go the extra $425 for the housing if you want.
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Re: Any Dyno Charts of ATS Housing VS. Wicked Wheel?

I second the Wicked Wheel, definate cheapest bang for your buck. I had surge up the yeng-yang before the wheel. Towng 8000 pound up a 6% grade at 65-68 was terrible. I had to either back out of it or drive through it, not a good scenario by any means. I added the wheel, dropped about a pound to a pound and a half of boost, but the wheel FLOWS more air. Dyno results did not change and from the seat of the pants meter she moves out quicker than with the stock wheel. And it cleaned up alot of smoke! I think the addition of the ATS housing combined with the wheel is probably the best match up in the fight against surge. Problem is once you add the ATS and the wheel, theres no doubt the next thing you'll want is a 1.0 exhaust housing. At this point you need to think about how far you want to go. Between the wheel, ATS housing and exhaust housing you have just about bought a Ball Bearing Turbo but without the BALL Bearings. This is why I stuck with the wheel and the wheel alone. It has done great, last dyno (load) she cranked out 365rwhp. Next step when this turbo goes I'll just go ahead and buy a BB Turbo and be done with it. Hope this helps,

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Re: Any Dyno Charts of ATS Housing VS. Wicked Wheel?

I would decide what you're going to do first, if you are going to do the housing, keep the stock wheel. If you want to do the WW first, then consider going to a larger turbine housing.

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Re: Any Dyno Charts of ATS Housing VS. Wicked Wheel?

At this point, I really dont want to wait for the ats housing. I am really considering the wicked wheel, but dont like that it wont cure as much surge as the ats housing. I am probably going to be done with modifications for further power after this. I am happy with the truck right now, just would like a little more pulling power now that im towing around more weight than I ever have before. I also know about the addiction to power modifications, hence the screen name WIKD 281. The 281 is my 99cobra that I lost tons of money into because I was addicted to more power, and going faster.
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Re: Any Dyno Charts of ATS Housing VS. Wicked Wheel?

Our new 1.0 turbine housing works great with the wicked wheel.
http://www.beansdieselperformance.com/99-03turbo.htm
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Re: Any Dyno Charts of ATS Housing VS. Wicked Wheel?

That's a good deal Bean, eliminates the EBPV too [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img]

Will this work with some kind of conventional wastegate controller, like the BHA (actuator) or turbomoaster, or Hallman conrollers?
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Re: Any Dyno Charts of ATS Housing VS. Wicked Wheel?

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That's a good deal Bean, eliminates the EBPV too [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img]

Will this work with some kind of conventional wastegate controller, like the BHA (actuator) or turbomoaster, or Hallman conrollers?

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It is a nonwastegated housing so no controller necessary.
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Old 07-19-2006, 12:51 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Re: Any Dyno Charts of ATS Housing VS. Wicked Wheel?

If you read the link it is a non-wastegated housing.
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Re: Any Dyno Charts of ATS Housing VS. Wicked Wheel?

Ah ha, I wondered after I typed that [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img]

This sounds like a good setup for a stock turbo.
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Re: Any Dyno Charts of ATS Housing VS. Wicked Wheel?

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Our new 1.0 turbine housing works great with the wicked wheel.
http://www.beansdieselperformance.com/99-03turbo.htm

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...so you have some positive feedback on this already? just very curious and anxious.......
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At this point, I really dont want to wait for the ats housing. I am really considering the wicked wheel, but dont like that it wont cure as much surge as the ats housing. I am probably going to be done with modifications for further power after this. I am happy with the truck right now, just would like a little more pulling power now that im towing around more weight than I ever have before. I also know about the addiction to power modifications, hence the screen name WIKD 281. The 281 is my 99cobra that I lost tons of money into because I was addicted to more power, and going faster.

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If you use the wheel, you might want throw on the exhaust housing like what was said this will help to cure up all surge. But if you plan to do more to your truck you might want to save for a bb turbo, in the long run it will save you more money, just a thought. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]
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Re: Any Dyno Charts of ATS Housing VS. Wicked Wheel?

The ww and or ATS housings are not for performance. They will actually drop horsepower all else constant. They are for stabilizing the turbo and keeping it out of the surge range. This is accomplished by moving a little less air (ww) and by using a "spill" port in the case of the housing. Either way, it keeps the PR low enough to stay off the surge line until you get the rpms up enough to move to the right on the map away from the surge line.

Use the ww and the housing to stop surge and to keep a stock turbo alive a little longer when running too much boost on it, but not for more power.

Oh yeah, and I guess the ww is also good for whistle, so that's a reason to put it on, but be forewarned, all else constant, you should lose boost. And on the same system (same turbo, same fuel ...etc) less boost is less power no matter how inefficient the turbo becomes.
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