Who makes the best transmission?

[hotstik]

Originally Posted by 415_dezl

trophies..wow. have you been to jw's lobby? more than just a few trophies. a lot of autographed pics of a lot of bad azz equipment and racers trucks with his trans in them.

I told you guys to get the popcorn this was going to get good! Hotstick, should i even mention what you said in socaps., or will that start another war?

reddgz..yah you're right about our horsepower...i'm running more in the turbocoupe thunderbird in my signature. And , dang , bts didn't build that tranny either.how is that possible?? there's more tranny guys out there that are bad azz? say it aint so!

Don't bother. It will fall on deaf ears.

I will say this though.....John has asked me to do my very best to break the trans he did for my truck. I'm still trying.

[F450Diesel]

Originally Posted by aklim

But if I bought a $4100 BTS, I can mate it to a 700HP truck or a 250HP truck. My choice. If you mated your Stage 1 to a 700HP truck, what do you think will happen when it breaks?

I am not sure, did not ask. Maybe BTS will repair you transmission if you break it at 700HP. However, if I was at that power level, I would rather spend the extra money to have the transmission built to handle that power reliably. John Wood has the higher stage options for these very high hp applications. He upgrades additional parts (300m parts) to make the tranny more durable, but at a cost. These parts are not exactly cheap, which is why you see the higher stages cost upwards of $7.2k or possibly more. I would rather have a transmission built strong enough so that I do not have to worry as much about it breaking. Having to remove the transmission and ship it back for repair is a major hassle in my mind and I would rather avoid that situation all together. I have no doubt that BTS makes a great transmission, but for the $4,100 cost, I cannot see it being the perfect solution for every application. You get what you pay for.

Also, getting to 700HP is not exactly cheap so if one has the money to get the engine to 700HP, then spending the extra money on an even more durable transmission should not be a big deal.

[F450Diesel]

Originally Posted by 00Allonthe line

i really want to get a better trans than what i have now and i want to get the best i was thinking of a ATS BC they use allot of hard parts but now i don't think i want them considering they want $9000 for the transmission that i want

$9,000 seems like a lot of money. How much power are you putting to the wheels? I'd give both JW and BTS a call. Whichever route you go, have them install the 6.0L tranny cooler also.

[reddgz]

Originally Posted by hotstik

Don't bother. It will fall on deaf ears.

I will say this though.....John has asked me to do my very best to break the trans he did for my truck. I'm still trying.

That is the last thing Brian told me before I left his shop. I dare you to break it!

[aklim]

Originally Posted by hotstik

aklim - you are completely clueless as to the difference between a built-to-the-hilt JW trans vs a standard BTS. I promise you my truck would scatter the standard $4100 BTS trans all over the road. Brian does not build his trans just one way, nor does John. Those are the simple facts.

AFAIK, there is only some minor tweaking that goes on between one trans and the other. Where did you get your info on BTS having different build levels?

[aklim]

Originally Posted by F450Diesel

I am not sure, did not ask. Maybe BTS will repair you transmission if you break it at 700HP.

Also, getting to 700HP is not exactly cheap so if one has the money to get the engine to 700HP, then spending the extra money on an even more durable transmission should not be a big deal.

From what I have seen on this and other forums, he WILL.

True. But has it been proven to be more durable?

[JimTJr]

Originally Posted by F450Diesel

I am not sure, did not ask. Maybe BTS will repair you transmission if you break it at 700HP. However, if I was at that power level, I would rather spend the extra money to have the transmission built to handle that power reliably. John Wood has the higher stage options for these very high hp applications. He upgrades additional parts (300m parts) to make the tranny more durable, but at a cost. These parts are not exactly cheap, which is why you see the higher stages cost upwards of $7.2k or possibly more. I would rather have a transmission built strong enough so that I do not have to worry as much about it breaking. Having to remove the transmission and ship it back for repair is a major hassle in my mind and I would rather avoid that situation all together. I have no doubt that BTS makes a great transmission, but for the $4,100 cost, I cannot see it being the perfect solution for every application. You get what you pay for.Also, getting to 700HP is not exactly cheap so if one has the money to get the engine to 700HP, then spending the extra money on an even more durable transmission should not be a big deal.

For crying out loud 450,,, why would we spend the extra money on the HIGHEST LEVEL OF BUILD JW offers,, when BTS' warranty reads, "UNLIMITED HP, UNLIMITED TORQUE" NO QUESTIONS ASKED..... He warranties if your mud bogging, pulling a sled, drag racing, or towing a 5er,,, ULIMITED HP,, AND UNLIMITED TORQUE,,,, MY TRANS in my little 320 RWHP 03, guaranteed just like the same trans, (with different "Tuning" in the VB, NO CHARGE, you tell him what your going to do, he sets it up) of a guy with 800 HP, 900 HP,, what ever. You ever see the pictures of his sons motor when it blew? something like 900 HP,, 110 lbs of boost,, the block split down the middle and the crank girdle separated from the block,, pulled the motor out in three distinct pieces...... I AM QUITE sure he was running the same transmission I have behind that 7.3... YOU HAVE NO ARGUEMENT for saying it's better to have "levels of builds" I am not saying it's terrible, it suits JW's customers fine I guess,,, but it certainly is NOT BETTER!

That is the last thing Brian told me before I left his shop. I dare you to break it!

That's the last thing he tells everyone who leaves with his transmission,,,, Not many can I doubt,,,, (Without serious abuse,,)

[415_dezl]

i see this debate is still heated. do you honestly, really really think your trans is identical to his son's, with only a little valve body tuning...do you HONESTLY think that? jw custommachines a lot of parts in his top dog trans, the parts alone cost more than a whole bts trans...it's just not adding up. And i hear people say BTS uses allll new parts, there's no way that's true.

[F450Diesel]

Originally Posted by JimTJr

For crying out loud 450,,, why would we spend the extra money on the HIGHEST LEVEL OF BUILD JW offers,, when BTS' warranty reads, "UNLIMITED HP, UNLIMITED TORQUE" NO QUESTIONS ASKED.....

As I stated in my previous post, I would spend the money simply to minimize the chance of failure and I would only do it if I was actually at those HP levels. It is great that BTS offers an unlimited everything warranty. My own personal preference is to spend the money so I don't have to worry as much about having to take advantage of a warranty. It takes a lot of effort to take the tranny off, crate it, ship it, wait, then reinstall when the new one arrives. To each his own.

It was not my intention to say BTS is better or worse. I personally have nothing against BTS. I only wanted to give credit to JW for doing great work and to state what some of the advantages might be to having a multi-stage option versus a single solution for all.

[hotstik]

LOL! The 300rwhp BTS bandwagon is really starting to crack me up. You guys have so much experience making power that I guess I should have come to you with all my motor and trans questions.

Originally Posted by aklim

AFAIK, there is only some minor tweaking that goes on between one trans and the other. Where did you get your info on BTS having different build levels?

Since you are a BTS expert, please answer me this: Why would a standard $4100 "one size fits all" BTS not last even one 1/4 mile pass in my truck?

Do you know? There is a specific technical reason. Brian knows. JW knows. They both offer a solution, and it is not "one size fits all".

Originally Posted by JimTJr

For crying out loud 450,,, why would we spend the extra money on the HIGHEST LEVEL OF BUILD JW offers,, when BTS' warranty reads, "UNLIMITED HP, UNLIMITED TORQUE" NO QUESTIONS ASKED..... He warranties if your mud bogging, pulling a sled, drag racing, or towing a 5er,,, ULIMITED HP,, AND UNLIMITED TORQUE,,,, MY TRANS in my little 320 RWHP 03, guaranteed just like the same trans, (with different "Tuning" in the VB, NO CHARGE, you tell him what your going to do, he sets it up) of a guy with 800 HP, 900 HP,, what ever. You ever see the pictures of his sons motor when it blew? something like 900 HP,, 110 lbs of boost,, the block split down the middle and the crank girdle separated from the block,, pulled the motor out in three distinct pieces...... I AM QUITE sure he was running the same transmission I have behind that 7.3... YOU HAVE NO ARGUEMENT for saying it's better to have "levels of builds" I am not saying it's terrible, it suits JW's customers fine I guess,,, but it certainly is NOT BETTER!

Jim - you sound dumber with every post you make. You get on the net and argue endlessly about big oil and transmissions when you have little experience and few facts. You bring nothing to this discussion but here-say and BS. Please take that monster 320hp of yours and go play with your drum.

[JimTJr]

HOTSH!t,, OOps, I mean,, Well, I don't care what you think, I KNOW what I am talking about with BTS, And YES I DO believe everything INSIDE My BTS is the same as CALES. 415,,, BTS does not build LEVELS of builds for one reason. They don't need them. And HOT, if you tore up a BTS in ONE 1/4 mile pass, then you must not know how to drive,,,
I know of several Higher HP trucks (one 500 plus RWHP) with BTS' and haveing no problems at all. With many 1/4 mile passes on them. Many 4x4 launches, and holding up just fine.

I won't say he uses all new parts, SOME are fine from the factory. Others don't cut the mustard. I DO know when he built mine the first time, there was a BUNCH of parts he handed me, said this is stock, THIS IS MINE... throw the one in your left hand in the barrel,,,, that happened too many times to count. So he must use a bunch of non stock parts,, yes.

Also, go ahead and roll your eyes or look down on my little 320 hp,, I never said I was a HIGH HP truck, Never even insinuated that. I was just stating that my trans has the same things Cales does THAT I am sure.
He!! When I called Brian two years ago, 3 yrs after I purchased my BTS for my 99, I told him I was swapping it to my 03, and should I do anything special,,,,
He said, bring them down,, he would love to go through my BTS with almost 80k miles on it. And swap them for me. So I did.
He took mine apart, said the clutches still looked new, threw them into the trash and put in NEW ones anyway, threw a couple other parts away, one was a shaft,,, I said hey??? whatcha doing? He asked, you want the NEWEST "Upgrades" don't you? So he installed the things he came up with since the first build. (Billit input shaft for one thing, I don't recall the other two or three pieces he changed)
THIS COST ME NEARLY NOTHING,,, fluid and a pitance of labor... (Cale burnt my chip from the 99 to the 03 too)

Again, I have never "Knocked" JW's transmissions... and WON'T....

But I won't let someone bash BTS either....

Don't go there with my BIG OIL threads,, you don't have to HAVE big oil to understand it,, sheesh, I WORK ON F-15s,, could I dogfight with one? Nope, I don't think I could. Can I explain how the flight controls work, the radar, Inertial navigation systems? YEP,, sure can. Do I OWN AN F-15? NOPE....
Soo, what ever you think about my opinions,, means little to me. I tell what I HONESTLY know, and offer advice when I can.

[415_dezl]

You don't even own an F15? pshh

[hotstik]

Originally Posted by JimTJr

HOTSH!t,, OOps, I mean,, Well, I don't care what you think, I KNOW what I am talking about with BTS, And YES I DO believe everything INSIDE My BTS is the same as CALES. 415,,, BTS does not build LEVELS of builds for one reason. They don't need them. And HOT, if you tore up a BTS in ONE 1/4 mile pass, then you must not know how to drive,,,
I know of several Higher HP trucks (one 500 plus RWHP) with BTS' and haveing no problems at all. With many 1/4 mile passes on them. Many 4x4 launches, and holding up just fine.

I won't say he uses all new parts, SOME are fine from the factory. Others don't cut the mustard. I DO know when he built mine the first time, there was a BUNCH of parts he handed me, said this is stock, THIS IS MINE... throw the one in your left hand in the barrel,,,, that happened too many times to count. So he must use a bunch of non stock parts,, yes.

Also, go ahead and roll your eyes or look down on my little 320 hp,, I never said I was a HIGH HP truck, Never even insinuated that. I was just stating that my trans has the same things Cales does THAT I am sure.
He!! When I called Brian two years ago, 3 yrs after I purchased my BTS for my 99, I told him I was swapping it to my 03, and should I do anything special,,,,
He said, bring them down,, he would love to go through my BTS with almost 80k miles on it. And swap them for me. So I did.
He took mine apart, said the clutches still looked new, threw them into the trash and put in NEW ones anyway, threw a couple other parts away, one was a shaft,,, I said hey??? whatcha doing? He asked, you want the NEWEST "Upgrades" don't you? So he installed the things he came up with since the first build. (Billit input shaft for one thing, I don't recall the other two or three pieces he changed)
THIS COST ME NEARLY NOTHING,,, fluid and a pitance of labor... (Cale burnt my chip from the 99 to the 03 too)

Again, I have never "Knocked" JW's transmissions... and WON'T....

But I won't let someone bash BTS either....

Don't go there with my BIG OIL threads,, you don't have to HAVE big oil to understand it,, sheesh, I WORK ON F-15s,, could I dogfight with one? Nope, I don't think I could. Can I explain how the flight controls work, the radar, Inertial navigation systems? YEP,, sure can. Do I OWN AN F-15? NOPE....
Soo, what ever you think about my opinions,, means little to me. I tell what I HONESTLY know, and offer advice when I can.

Priceless!

"I WORK ON F-15's...." ..................Too Funny!!!



Please see my previous post.

[JimTJr]

You bring nothing to this discussion but here-say and BS. Please take that monster 320hp of yours and go play with your drum.

So, how does talking to Brian on a half dozen occasions in person, watching several transmissions get rebuilt there, and mine, and LISTENING to Brian when he builds it and answers any questions I or the others in the room ask, amount to HEAR-SAY AND BS?

Big oil discussions are irrelevant here, and what you think about my involvement in those also irrelevant.

How does my OWNING a BTS for almost 6 yrs, Knowing at LEAST 6 others that do in person, and watching several of those getting built and installed amount to "HEAR-SAY"?

PLEASE EXPLAIN!

[JimTJr]

Originally Posted by 415_dezl

You don't even own an F15? pshh

Nah, the subdivision PROBABLY has some rule about parking and my taxiing out to the nearest straight road to take off!