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Old 03-31-2009, 08:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
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wicked wheel negative effects

was going to have Ford put in my wicked wheel while it was in for an oil change this week... but the mechanic flat out said no to the install claiming it would have negative affects on the engine. any idea what he was talking about?
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His claims are fruitless, wish you were closer! I've done about 8 ww installs and would be glad to help you out. PM me if you want step by step instructions and I'd be glad to give them.
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The wicked wheel is supposed to be less effective than your current wheel. I was going to put one in until I researched it more. I tow and I wanted to eliminate surge, I found out that the ATS compressor housing is a better mod. Yes it costs more $430 but allows for a true 4" inlet. The mechanic is smoking crack! The early 99's had a factory wheel that is basically a wicked wheel.
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And the '94-'97 too! same as the early '99 and all the wicked wheels. I talked to my local ford dealer when the '99.5 and later models came out, and he seemed to think that the "noise" produced by the dual staged vanes was the main reason for ford having garrett/honeywell make the change. There was guys putting '94-early '99 wheels on late models long before the "wicked wheel" was marketed. Who woulda thunk it!
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Yep, the people who complained about the noise probably didn't like black smoke out of the tailpipe either.
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remember most dealership and independent shop mechanics are parts changers not high performance-fab techs that comprehend engine and suspension modifications.
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All I have read about people installing a ww on this site states that they lose 2 or more pounds of boost but gain whistle. I would go for a real upgrade like a new housing with a four inch ported intake. ATS is pricey. ITP diesel sells another one for a little less money.
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The wicked wheel helps eliminate surge. That is the biggest reason for installing. If you don't tow much or have not ever "experienced" surge you probably don't need one. If looking for power and performance buy a ported housing. $400 is way cheaper than a failed turbo and damaged 7.3L. Plus most guys will spend way more money on a set of wheels that do nothing for performance!
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I just did the WW install on two different trucks and it did eliminate surge and seemed to boost performance especially on the truck that had a 50hp tune, 6637 filter, and 4" exhaust.
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woodnthings... are you saying that the ww has the potential to fail and ruin the turbo?
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No, I am saying surge ruins turbos. The wicked wheel helps surge where the ported housings pretty much eliminate it for a slightly modified truck (tuner,intake,exhaust). The WW is often used as a cheaper band aid for surge. Most will say they lose boost when installing one. Usually 2-3 psi depending on the truck. I just think @ $400 give or take a ported compressor housing is better for the battle against surge. Obviously an upgraded turbo is better, something like a GTP38R or similar but most people have a tough time shelling out up to $2k on a new turbo. It was also stated that the OEM turbos previous to mid year 99 had the equivalent to the WW from the factory. They are all good turbos, just make a little more noise that the mid 99's to 03 versions.

I was looking at getting a WW for mine, until I found most people show a boost loss due to inefficency. The ported housings just make more since, and I plan on getting one soon.
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correct me if im wrong, but I understand that the ported shroud is only really needed by a small percentage of surge victims... those who experience surge while towing heavy loads through hilly country. i rarely tow, and if i do, its a max weight of about 7k over the flat ground here in indiana.
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The ported shroud has a 4" inlet where the stocker has a 3", That is primarily how they eliminate surge. More air coming in means less cavitation at the turbo blades under heavy loads (pulling lots of air, not necessarily towing loads). The WW has every other blade at a different height, in doing this the air has less of a chance getting disrupted when entering the turbo. This is where in inefficiency of the WW comes into play. That is why most guys see a 2-3 psi loss. The reason we all put intakes, exhaust, and tuners on our trucks is for better performance. If you put a BHAF in and still only have the stock turbo set-up you now have a restrictor in the flow. The compressor housing helps open the restriction and with the WW you still have the restriction you just have the wheel fins compensate to not move as much air.

The WW is a fine product and works to help surge. If you don't tow and you don't pull hills you probably don't need either the WW or the compressor housing.
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was going to have Ford put in my wicked wheel while it was in for an oil change this week... but the mechanic flat out said no to the install claiming it would have negative affects on the engine. any idea what he was talking about?
There are two differences between the stock wheel and the splitter style you guys are calling a wicked wheel. The splitter style will hold more pressure at the same flow. The splitter style wheel makes more noise.
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I installed a x-wheel yesterday. Though I haven't hooked on to the trailer yet, I have noticed a difference in power between the 2-3 and 3-4 shifts. It used to have bad turbo stall between shifts that has been eliminated. I'm hoping it cures my surge when pulling my trailer as well. Time will tell I guess. It was a very easy intall as well, under an hour while still looking after my 5 & 1 1/2 year old kids.
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