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Old 02-02-2010, 05:36 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Engine mounted hydraulic pump

My brother installed a hydraulic winch a while back and has since gone through 2 power steering pumps including 1 that is a SUPER upgraded, polished, hardened, etc..... and they all end up crapping out. The actual pump shaft bends, anyway has anyone ever mounted a hydraulic pump to the engine? Do they make one? Thanks in advance.
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Best thing to do is mount a pto pump to the transmission. most manual trannys have pto provisioins, and some auto do too. what type of truck is the winch on?

or he could use a hydraulic power pack. which is a 12v motor and pump, and can be mounted almost anywere.

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One of the plow plow manufacturers make a mount that replaces the driver's side accessory bracket and relocated the alternator and puts it above the power steering pump. It is connected to a pulley that goes on the front of the crankshaft and connects via two v-belts. The municipality I plow snow with has one on their F-450 and it is used to power the dump and the plow. Now that I think about it, it may be more-so for the dump and utilized for the plow. It has the clutch like an AC pump so you can turn it on and off. Very nice unit. It's where I got the idea to move my alternator over and mount my York compressor there.
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I just found I have two pictures of this on my computer here, send me a pm if you want and I can e-mail them to you.
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Yes please upload the pics and post them.....I am interested in your york compressor upgrade.
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I just uploaded three pics of my York install, tomorrow at work I will upload the pics I have of the hydraulic pump.
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I just uploaded three pics of my York install,
For those wondering what in heck is a "York", it was the air conditioner compressor used by Ford for numerous years. So you can probably find one in an old Ford in the wrecking yard, or you can buy a new one for an old Ford from an auto parts store.

GM's rotay air conditioner compressors worked much better than the Yorks used by Ford, so Ford eventually went to a rotary AC compressor. I don't know how many years ago that was, but it was several years ago. Probably sometime in the 1980s.

The York compressors were often used to build an air compressor or a hydraulic pump. You must fabricate a mount for it, and hook it up to the engine via a fan belt. Then you have to do the plumbing to make it work as either an air compressor or hydraulic pump.

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anyway has anyone ever mounted a hydraulic pump to the engine? Do they make one?
The work-truck builders use a PTO-powered hydraulic pump so they can get lots of reliable hydraulic power. They then use the hydraulic power for all sorts of things, including air compressors, generators, lift cylinders, winches, snowplows, etc.

All SuperDuty trucks with stick shift include the "PTO Provision" in the transmission. Automatics will have it only if the optional PTO provision was ordered with the truck, so very few automatics will have it.

If you have the PTO provision, then you can add a PTO. You'll need two things:

1. PTO. The PTO provision is basically just a hole in the side of the tranny where you can install a PTO. Ford doesn't sell the actual PTO. Two primary sources for the aftermarket PTO = Parker's Chelsea division and Muncie.

Chelsea is now owned by Parker.
Chelsea Products Division - Parker

The right Muncie for your truck with automagic tranny is
Muncie Power Products Power Take Offs: FR/FA Series

2. Notice Muncie sells not only the PTO, but also the second thing you need = the hydraulic system that is powered by the PTO, including PTO-powered pump, tanks for hydraulic fluid, and distribution lines for the hydraulic power.

But get out your checkbook. The PTO and hydraulic system installed by a truck upfitter will cost you about $3,000 or more. When building a $60,000 work truck, $3,000 is only 5 percent of the total price. But as a mod to an old truck just to make the snowplow work good, it's a bundle.

Plus if you have an automagic tranny without the PTO provision, your first step is to replace the tranny with one that has the PTO provision. You can buy a Ford rebuilt 4R100 tranny with the PTO provision for around $2,500 from a discount Ford parts dealer, such as Tousley Ford.

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Ok Smokie, I'm trying this myself. Hopefully, below you will see the two pics I uploaded of the hydraulic pump mounted on the F-450 plow truck.

This is the best pic I have. Notice the alternator is moved over to the left and slightly higher to clear the HPOP res. The entire accessory bracket has been remade. You can also see the double v-belts running down to a tensioner, and then to the crank which you can't see.


and


I was hoping this showed the belts better, but it's rather a pointless and narrow focus picture.

As Smokey said, adding the hydraulic system isn't a cheap option if you aren't building a new truck.
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Hopefully, below you will see the two pics I uploaded of the hydraulic pump mounted on the F-450 plow truck.
Hey, you're a quick study. Good job.
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Yes, Thanks to you both. Great pics!!
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LOL!!! thanks Smokey I just needed the time to take to do it. And actually, it did take me about 3 or 4 posts to get it right. So not all that fast!
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Man seeing that air compressor setup there makes me even more determined to do an engine driven air compressor addition to my truck this spring. That hydraulic pump mount gave me some ideas for how to incorporate an AC compressor for an air compressor, while keeping the factory belt routing mostly intact.

I was looking at a rotary compressor, modded with a grease fitting and an 8 rib clutched pulley. Oh why can't spring get here sooner?
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I've seen those rotary compressors, and I used one on my old '87 F-150 after the AC died. It worked well but you had to keep the oil going through it. I ended up locking mine up twice but after dumping a quart of oil through it finally frees up. I'm not sure what the grease fitting would be for. But the use of the serpentine belt sure would have been nice. I do know they make the clutch kits for these Yorks to run a serpentine belt on them. I just didn't want to spend any more money at this point.
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