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Old 02-23-2013, 05:16 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Installing pit an arm

Putting the new steering gear box on.

Should the shaft be turned so its all the way in? Half way?



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Pitman arm...stupid spell check.

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Re: Installing pit an arm

Anyone?

Taken this thing off at least 10 times now. I'm so good at it, its getting aggravating. Right now, the pitman arm is as far to the driver side as the gear box will allow it and the tie rod still sticks out past where its suppose to bolt up to, even after taking all of the adjustment out of the tie rod to shorten it up.

I've had the pitman arm on several ways and just doesn't work out any way I put it on. I didn't figure I would need to adjust the tie rod any.

Any help is greatly appreciated right now. I'm going to do some more research in the mean time. Parts store guy better hop I got the right gear box:banghead:

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Re: Installing pit an arm

Just a thought, is there a difference in the F350 and 250 steering gear box?

Just read a thread on the differences of the pit an arm.

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There are two different spline counts used but it doesn't have anything to do with 250 or 350, just 2 different ones were used so you gotta count them. Not sure what you are asking in your first post, but the new box should be centered where you need to be, you shouldn't need to turn the sector shaft, and no reason to mess with the tie rods. Just make sure the spline count is right and the wheels are straight, slip it on and set the nut to the proper torque. Then when you are done you just crank on the drag link coupling one way or the other to center the steering wheel.

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There are two different spline counts used but it doesn't have anything to do with 250 or 350, just 2 different ones were used so you gotta count them. Not sure what you are asking in your first post, but the new box should be centered where you need to be, you shouldn't need to turn the sector shaft, and no reason to mess with the tie rods. Just make sure the spline count is right and the wheels are straight, slip it on and set the nut to the proper torque. Then when you are done you just crank on the drag link coupling one way or the other to center the steering wheel.

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So I need to center the gear box shaft before putting the pitman arm on, then the pitman arm should be center with the body of the gear box? I have turned that shaft (spline count is 32) so many times now...

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Re: Installing pit an arm

OK, the shaft makes 4 turns. I went all the way one direction then back 2 turns. If it doesn't work this time, I'm done for the night.

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And you'll need to put the tie rods back to where they were. Might need alignment now.
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Re: Installing pit an arm

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And you'll need to put the tie rods back to where they were. Might need alignment now.
Probably so.

Well my last plan didn't work. I've got one last idea. If it doesn't work, I'm taking it back.

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Re: Installing pit an arm

How does this not fall under engine and drive train mods?

Is it possible to adjust the shaft that that the pitman arm goes on? I know for a fact, by looking at my dads truck, watching as he steers it, that my pitman arm is on the splines right. But the tie rod is still too long to bolt up.



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did you match up the gearboxes when you did the swap? I think the 250/350 use the same gearbox. However the 2wd and 4wd use different gearboxes.

Its should be a straight simple swap like BigB said. no need to do anything except make sure the shaft is centered as you have already done. The pitman arm only goes on 1 way, there is no way to mess that up.
has anything moved since you pulled the gearbox? You have your tires centered? you havent hooked up the steering shaft yet have you?

EDIT: can you show us a pic of what you have going on. I just can't picture how you could be having such a problem. Even if the stem of the shaft was longer or shorter, it should bolt up. Also rereading, the tie rod does not connect to the pitman arm, the drag link connects to the pitman arm. The tie rod goes wheel to wheel on the steering knuckles. Not sure if you just used the wrong words, or if you are really trying to hook the tie rod to the pitman arm
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did you match up the gearboxes when you did the swap? I think the 250/350 use the same gearbox. However the 2wd and 4wd use different gearboxes.

Its should be a straight simple swap like BigB said. no need to do anything except make sure the shaft is centered as you have already done. The pitman arm only goes on 1 way, there is no way to mess that up.
has anything moved since you pulled the gearbox? You have your tires centered? you havent hooked up the steering shaft yet have you?

EDIT: can you show us a pic of what you have going on. I just can't picture how you could be having such a problem. Even if the stem of the shaft was longer or shorter, it should bolt up. Also rereading, the tie rod does not connect to the pitman arm, the drag link connects to the pitman arm. The tie rod goes wheel to wheel on the steering knuckles. Not sure if you just used the wrong words, or if you are really trying to hook the tie rod to the pitman arm
I questioned myself if I was calling it the right thing.

I'll try to get a video or some pics in a minute and post it up.

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How does this not fall under engine and drive train mods?



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Engine and drive train: Engine, Transmission and rear and or front axle. No brakes, suspensionn, steering or tires. Thats why.
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brakes, suspensionn, steering or tires. Thats why.
Well this app doesn't have the best layout. IIRC, the browser version has the option for that specific subject area, so figured it'd fit better in the Engine and drivetrain section since its hooked to the hydroboost. Oh well....

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Re: Installing pit an arm

I have to post multiple posts of the pics because the app shuts down when I try to add a second picture.

In the pics, the wheels and steering gear box are turned as far to the driver side as much as possible. The pitman arm goes on at 12:00, 3:00, 6:00, and 9:00 increments on the shaft.

Looking at my dads 250 4x4, when the tires are turned all the way driver side so is the steering gear box. His pitman arm is as close to parallel to the frame as it can be.



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