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Old 02-25-2013, 10:42 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Thanks for the input ryhed. I'm sure I wouldn't need another pitman arm, and no...the original is gone. If the Red Head unit only has one big spline, this pitman arm wouldn't work on it since it has 4 big splines.
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Where did you get the gearbox and pitman arm you are currently using?
My oem and redhead gearbox were identical. Used original pitman arm that I thought only had 1 big slot, but I dont remember exactly.
Something seems very odd. Im with rt, not sure 2hat else to say, its supposed to be a sraight forward process.

Ill have to look when I get home but that pic that you were asking what the plugs are for look like thats where the hydraulic lines hook up
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Where did you get the gearbox and pitman arm you are currently using?
My oem and redhead gearbox were identical. Used original pitman arm that I thought only had 1 big slot, but I dont remember exactly.
Something seems very odd. Im with rt, not sure 2hat else to say, its supposed to be a sraight forward process.

Ill have to look when I get home but that pic that you were asking what the plugs are for look like thats where the hydraulic lines hook up
Gear box from Orielly's and pitman arm is the original.

Its raining now so that means the ground has turned to soup, so I won't be working on it this evening...maybe start the intercooler.

I just saw your edited post with the pics Do you know how far the pitman arm is from the leaf springs when turned all the way to the driver side?
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Re: Installing pit an arm

Should the pitman arm be inline of the steering shaft (lengthwise if the truck) when the steering box is centered?

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Re: Installing pit an arm

Just took a video of center the steering gear box so y'all could tell me if I'm doing it wrong. I'll post the link after it loads.

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Re: Installing pit an arm

http://db.tt/c7F5vwpE

Here's the video. In the video, I turn the shaft 4 times the back 2 to CENTER it. I then put the pitman arm on both ways it would make sense for it to go on. In either way it goes on, it will have 45 degrees left to go left/right.



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Thats how I would center it. Let me go center my wheels to see where the arm ends up. Also let me turn both ways and see where the pitman arm ends up. Really wish one of us was closer to you to try and help you figure this out.

I'll report back soon

Ok Rammer, got some info for you.
Looks like the pitman arm is straight (inline with the frame) when tires are straight adn steering wheel centered.

Turned all the way to the left minus the natural backoff doing this by yourself. I have roughly a qtr in os so before the pitman arm hits the leaf spring. Thats how you said your dads truck was too.

When I turn all the way to the right, the pitman arm appears to be at a 45* angle from straight towards the right (passenger side)

something that might help also: Measuring myself, from the far pass side (outside) of the zirk of the drag link attaching to the tie rod, measuring to the center of the zirk of the drag link attached to the pitman arm is 37.25". This should give you a rough measurement of how long your drag link should be.
So basically letting the tape edge catch the lower zirk to the middle of the top zirk is approx 37.25". Hope that makes sense and possibly helps with something.

I'm starting to wonder if you got a 2wd gearbox and it aligns the pitman arm differently? Or maybe v10 vs diesel is different? IDk. with the gearbox centered as you showed in your vid, the pitman arm should definitely be inline with the truck/frame.
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Old 02-25-2013, 10:44 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Thats how I would center it. Let me go center my wheels to see where the arm ends up. Also let me turn both ways and see where the pitman arm ends up. Really wish one of us was closer to you to try and help you figure this out.

I'll report back soon

Ok Rammer, got some info for you.
Looks like the pitman arm is straight (inline with the frame) when tires are straight adn steering wheel centered.

Turned all the way to the left minus the natural backoff doing this by yourself. I have roughly a qtr in os so before the pitman arm hits the leaf spring. Thats how you said your dads truck was too.

When I turn all the way to the right, the pitman arm appears to be at a 45* angle from straight towards the right (passenger side)

something that might help also: Measuring myself, from the far pass side (outside) of the zirk of the drag link attaching to the tie rod, measuring to the center of the zirk of the drag link attached to the pitman arm is 37.25". This should give you a rough measurement of how long your drag link should be.
So basically letting the tape edge catch the lower zirk to the middle of the top zirk is approx 37.25". Hope that makes sense and possibly helps with something.

I'm starting to wonder if you got a 2wd gearbox and it aligns the pitman arm differently? Or maybe v10 vs diesel is different? IDk. with the gearbox centered as you showed in your vid, the pitman arm should definitely be inline with the truck/frame.
Awesome info INFRNL!! I really appreciate your help. Seems like the spline shaft of the steering gear box must be 45 degrees off. Makes me a little happy that I'm not just making it hard on myself.

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Old 02-25-2013, 11:45 PM   #39 (permalink)
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Re: Installing pit an arm

Also, not sure on V10 gear box vs 7.3 gear box but I did go back up there with my dad to get some oil and filter for his truck and got the 2wd and 4wd part numbers. I was kind of surprised when they gave me the same part number. I thought they were different??

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I did this same job today. At 2 turns which is centered the pitman arm should just about be vertical. Once drag link is on, straighten wheels. Then straighten steering wheel if moved and slip steering shaft over.
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Re: Installing pit an arm

New gear box should be here in the morning. Something tells me its not going to be any better.

Can anyone confirm if the 2wd and 4wd gear box is the same?

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I know there is a 32 tooth and a 36 tooth variant - I believe the 2WD uses the 32 tooth and the 4WD uses the 36 tooth.
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I know there is a 32 tooth and a 36 tooth variant - I believe the 2WD uses the 32 tooth and the 4WD uses the 36 tooth.
The spline count is for the steering shaft right? I don't see the same pitman arm going on if they were different spline count. The parts store guy counted 32 splines twice. I'll try to dig more into this. Thanks RT.

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I know that there is a difference somewhere between 2wd/4wd or v10/7.3. We have all ford trucks at work and they had to order a gearbox. They might have even had the same issue as you, I do not recall. There is definitely a difference, I just wish I knew where it was exactly.

I'm just hoping there was an issue during build process on the one you are having troubles with. I also hope the one tomorrow resolves your issue. Best of luck; I know you will keep us posted
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I will, I like giving the reolutions to the issue

I did find this in my searches...PSN link in case its blocked.

http://"PSN".com/forums/showpost.php?p=1786956&postcount=9

I also tried going on Ford parts site and use my VIN # but it still gave me every option.

http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/97...36-spline.html
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