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Old 04-13-2005, 02:31 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Power windows work intermittently, why?

My power windows, both sides, started working only intermittently. Sometimes they'll start working at startup and then later stop, sometimes it's just the opposite. There doesn't seem to be any pattern to it. I've checked the 30amp circuit breaker under the hood and it's ok, even replaced it with a 30amp fuse. I also checked the "auto down" relay by swapping it with another, still no help. Every thing else on the truck works, it's just the windows. Any suggestions? I need help! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Re: Power windows work intermittently, why?

Did you check the switches in both doors?
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Re: Power windows work intermittently, why?

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No, didn't chect the door switches. Both door windows act the same so didn't suspect any one switch. Do you think maybe the wiring is routed from one door to the other?
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Re: Power windows work intermittently, why?

The wiring goes through the drivers door first before heading over to the passenger side. I'd check out the drivers switch first.

Here's the driver's side window switch for $36.
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Re: Power windows work intermittently, why?

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Not the switch, took it apart and found it's not getting +12v. I suspect it has something to do with the timing control that allows the windows to operate for a few minutes after the key is turned off but I can't find any reference to it. That timing circuit has to be in the loop somewhere. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]
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Re: Power windows work intermittently, why?

The accessory delay relay is in the CJB. Bottom relay, left side. Swap it with the top one (horn relay) and see what happens.

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Not the switch, took it apart and found it's not getting +12v. I suspect it has something to do with the timing control that allows the windows to operate for a few minutes after the key is turned off but I can't find any reference to it. That timing circuit has to be in the loop somewhere. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]

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I agree with Ozhoo. Check the Accessory Delay Relay.

The GEM controls the ADR, but I can't imagine that the GEM is causing the problem.

Pull the relay to check for voltage. You might try making a fused jumper to install in place of the relay for testing when it starts acting up if swapping in the horn relay shows no improvement.
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What was the problem? I have a similar one, no power at switch.
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I have been running into the same type of issue, sometimes the windows work, sometimes they don't. I'm nervous about lowering them if I'm not close to home. Happened a few times now and eventually they go back up, but I'm not sure why. I've jiggled the fuses, switched them around, same goes with the relays, when it feels like it, it'll go back up. When this happens NONE of the 4 windows work.

Latest was today, took my better half out for the day to do a bunch of door knocking for a campaign she is working on, lowered the drivers window a few inches and there it stayed. Fortunately it was a warm day so no problem. When I got a chance I fiddled with the fuses and relays all day while she was doing her stuff, to no avail other than managing to get it to go down another couple of inches. Came home and fiddled some more, got it to go down another couple of inches and there it stayed. Came in to look at my factory technical cd to see what else it could be, printed out the fuse panel diagrams (I have no owners manual) and went back outside. This whole time (about 15 minutes) I had left the door open with the key on acc. position, pushed the switch and up it went! Not sure if if had anything to do with the key being left on all that time or not.

Just plain weird, wish I could find out what is wrong as its a PITA not being able to depend on them, especially in the -40 winters we get here. If I ever order a brand new truck methinks it'll be with the old fashioned cranks!
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A coomon source of problems is in the convolute that runs between the A pillar and the door. Over time, the wires can become brittle and break from the constant flexing.
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A coomon source of problems is in the convolute that runs between the A pillar and the door. Over time, the wires can become brittle and break from the constant flexing.
I agree, very common, especially on older trucks.
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i have the same problem, if i lock the windows so only the driver controls will control the windows i have no problems (other than being the window up/down guy). would love to solve it, tried switching the driver side control unit with no change.
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Ditto. Now my drivers side rear door is DEAD. But everything else works fine. Will be looking into the 'B' pillar.
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ck wires going into truck having same issues lots of my wires were broke or cracked going to do some splicing tonight
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Anyone come across a solution for this? Mine just started tonight... no power at the switch. Circuit breaker is good, swapped the delay relay, wiggled wires in the GEM module... nothing.

Anyone have a schematic for this, or at least know what color the pos feed wire to the switch is?
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