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I have heard some vague reports about smog checks on our diesels in Kalifornia. In the past they were not for vehicles manufactured under non-check years. However, I have heard rumors that the new smog checks will be required for vehicles manufactured before the law. Retroactive as it were.
Anyone know about these rumors? What is true? What is not? Where to get official, accurate, information?
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'03 Excursion, 7.3L, 4X4, 4" MBRP exhaust, TS performance chip, K&N FIPK w/ an Amsoil EA filter, Hellwig anti-sway bar, drilled/slotted front & rear rotors. Bilstein shocks, Rancho steering damper. Airlift 5000. This baby surprises a lot of, so called, performance cars.
'04 F 350, extended cab, 6.0L, FX4, manual tranny, 4" MBRP exhaust, Bully Dog Triple Dog downloader w/ Outlook moniter, 2m-70cm Yaesu ft-8500.
'96 Mustang Cobra convertible, B&M short throw shifter, Koni adjustable shocks, viper chip, drilled/slotted rotors front and rear, rear sequential turn signals.
I looked at the link above, but really didnt want to take the time to read it all. Is there someplace where it says exactly which vehicles will be covered, what the test procedure will be, and what vehicle modifications will be allowed?
I read some stuff that talked about a visible smoke test. This seems very subjective on the part of the person doing the testing?
What if I have already modfied my vehicle? Will a chip cause you to fail this? Larger exhaust? etc? What a PITA this whole thing is gonna be.
__________________ TDS member #49 - 1999.5 (Built 4/26/99) White F350, CC, SRW, LWB, Lariat, AIC, 4R100 (4th transmission before 85k - gotta love this tranny), 6.0 trans cooler, manual shift 4wd, 3 inch leveling kit, KING reservoir shocks, 285-75-16 Bridgestone REVOs, Performance Friction Pads all around, Powerslot Cryo'd rotors in front, CD player, Infinity REF 6800CS speakers (front and rear), Garmin 2610 GPS (hardwired), 40/20/40 leather seats, heated turn signal- TT mirrors, Titan V hitch, weatherguard box, DP Tuner 4 Position chip (love it), AIS intake, Diesel Site CAC Boots, 4" Magnaflow exhaust, Diesel Innovations Up Pipe, gutted EBPV, Non EBPV Turbo Pedestal, X-Monitor. NO STEERING WHEN BRAKES ARE APPLIED!
I looked at the link above, but really didnt want to take the time to read it all. Is there someplace where it says exactly which vehicles will be covered, what the test procedure will be, and what vehicle modifications will be allowed?
I read some stuff that talked about a visible smoke test. This seems very subjective on the part of the person doing the testing?
What if I have already modfied my vehicle? Will a chip cause you to fail this? Larger exhaust? etc? What a PITA this whole thing is gonna be.
I read through some of it. Essentially anything under 14,000 GVW. Not CVW. GRV.
It seems as though as long as the mods have a carb approval sticker on them it is ok.
I am in hopes that if the mod does not have a carb approval and it can be turned off for road use that as long as it is turned off it is allowed. After all, if the chip, such as I have in my Ex- A TS Performance 6 bank chip- is set to the oem setting then it should be allowed. After all, if it for "off road use only" then you should be allowed to turn it on "off-road" and turn it off "on-road".
I am concerned about the subjectiveness of the observer when it comes to the visible smoke. After all, all diesels smoke from one extreme to another. The fact that there is smoke may be an issue.
If we had an organization like the gun owners have, the NRA, we would have an organization to fight this.
When the original gun bans came along they were thrown out because they were not specific enough in the definitions. This has long been retified. But the subjectiveness of the observed smoke rule should be taken to court and thrown out for it's lack of specifics and the lack of non-subjective equipment to take appropriate readings for evaluation.
This aspect of this law must be fought. But, I have to guess that we as individules do not have the resources to do so. Just because an inspection station says there is too much smoke will only require us to, either, spend monies on changing the amount of smoke being exhausted -OR- work your way up the bureaucratical line. After all. Since it is subjective, everyone may agree and, yet, if there is no scientific baseline to make the determination.....
No, this law, or at least this part of the law, is going to be trouble. At least for us. Especially if you get some liberal bureaucrat, or bureaucrats, who does not believe in diesels. Someone who sees the vagueness of this law to micro manage the masses. To push their own liberal, overbearing, controling, agenda.
Like some Borg minion who will quote to us, "Resistance is futile- you shall be assimilated".
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'03 Excursion, 7.3L, 4X4, 4" MBRP exhaust, TS performance chip, K&N FIPK w/ an Amsoil EA filter, Hellwig anti-sway bar, drilled/slotted front & rear rotors. Bilstein shocks, Rancho steering damper. Airlift 5000. This baby surprises a lot of, so called, performance cars.
'04 F 350, extended cab, 6.0L, FX4, manual tranny, 4" MBRP exhaust, Bully Dog Triple Dog downloader w/ Outlook moniter, 2m-70cm Yaesu ft-8500.
'96 Mustang Cobra convertible, B&M short throw shifter, Koni adjustable shocks, viper chip, drilled/slotted rotors front and rear, rear sequential turn signals.
If it looks illegeal it fails ,if it has a tuner it fails, If it shows any codes it fails, if it SMOKES too much after high revs it fails. They do not run it on dyno or sniff exhaust though. YET
What about tuner like DP which you can switch back to stock? If I put it on stock, will they be able to "see" it when they hook it up to their computer?
__________________ TDS member #49 - 1999.5 (Built 4/26/99) White F350, CC, SRW, LWB, Lariat, AIC, 4R100 (4th transmission before 85k - gotta love this tranny), 6.0 trans cooler, manual shift 4wd, 3 inch leveling kit, KING reservoir shocks, 285-75-16 Bridgestone REVOs, Performance Friction Pads all around, Powerslot Cryo'd rotors in front, CD player, Infinity REF 6800CS speakers (front and rear), Garmin 2610 GPS (hardwired), 40/20/40 leather seats, heated turn signal- TT mirrors, Titan V hitch, weatherguard box, DP Tuner 4 Position chip (love it), AIS intake, Diesel Site CAC Boots, 4" Magnaflow exhaust, Diesel Innovations Up Pipe, gutted EBPV, Non EBPV Turbo Pedestal, X-Monitor. NO STEERING WHEN BRAKES ARE APPLIED!
I'm sure you can just put it in stk.setting and you'll be fine. It all depends on how anal the inspector is, if he/she looks for a control unit or not. see's the extra harness plugged into your computer. Who knows ? If your control switch is in plain sight its a dead giveaway it might be a good question for DP to tackle.
In my county in CO we have mandatory emissions testing for all diesels. The first question they ask you is "do you have a chip". I don't (for now) so have no idea how they would test it if you do, but perhaps I'll ask them when my next one is due in Dec.
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2001 F-350 Crew Cab XLT PSD 4x4, Long Bed, 6-speed, 3.73, Manual Transfer, Power TTT Mirrors, 122k miles.
1989 Toyota 4x4 xtracab SR5 V6, Beat to heck with 200k+ miles and still running strong.
do you think a tymar would be considered "modified OEM equipment" and cause a fail? 'Cause it should cut down on the fog test with the stock program in
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2001 F250 Crew, 25,000+ miles, PSD, 4X2, ProComp 6" lift, Short Bed, SCMT, Tymar set up, BTM, ISSPRO Pyro, boost, and Trans Gauges, in tank mods and harpooned, 28" air horn w/ on board air and tank also full set of train horns! 6 gallons of 150 PSI air. Prodigy, Draw tite Signature series 18K 5'r hitch. TTM
2005 wildcat 29RLBS 5'r, parallel EU2000i's
2003 Explorer, EddieBower, V8 4X4
2003 Explorer XLT, V8 4X4
2002 XR50
2001 PW50
do you think a tymar would be considered "modified OEM equipment" and cause a fail? 'Cause it should cut down on the fog test with the stock program in
I've been wondering about this too. I put the AIS in mine and since then it will really blow a nice cloud of black smoke when I really get on it. It didn't do that with the stock airbox.
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2001 F-350 Crew Cab XLT PSD 4x4, Long Bed, 6-speed, 3.73, Manual Transfer, Power TTT Mirrors, 122k miles.
1989 Toyota 4x4 xtracab SR5 V6, Beat to heck with 200k+ miles and still running strong.
I'm worried about intakes and exhaust.... We can always put ot tunes back to stock.... It's just not the easy to pull your exhaust off... nad althoug rather easy to change intakes , thats going to get old to!!
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2003 EXCURSION EDDIE B, 7.3 PS, 4" Magnaflow Turbo Back exhaust with International up-pipes. BD-Power X Monitor, AFE Stage 2 and Edge Evolution. 6.0L Trans Cooler. JVC DVD head unit with 6 Boston Pro series speakers, Rockford Fosgate 12" sub and amps. Oh ya, AC power for the Blender.
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it might be a good question for DP to tackle.
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