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Old 04-06-2007, 09:48 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Dana 60 problems - bearings? hub seal?

I was under my truck this morning giving it a little bit of grease and I noticed that the axle looks to be dripping a little bit of gear oil. I guess it isn't dripping, but it does look like it is moist with the oil. It isn't losing much, but I don't want this to turn nasty. It sounds to me like I need to replace a seal and I will replace the bearings while I am in there as well.

I do not know the name of the part that has oil on it, but it is horseshoe shaped and right on the wheel. I notice on Joat's list that there are a couple of different bearings and a couple of different seals. Can someone help me sort this out?
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Re: Dana 60 problems - bearings? hub seal?

OK...I looked at the manual, and I think that the horshe-shoe shaped part is called a tube yoke, and it is what holds the steering knuckle. Maybe I am looking at this wrong. Is there some seal, particularly one known to go bad] that sits between this yoke and the axle? This is on the driver's side if it makes any difference.
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Re: Dana 60 problems - bearings? hub seal?

if the oil is coming from the axle housing where the axle shaft goes into the tube then the ring gear/carrier will need to be pulled to access the seals. they are in the diff housing next to the carrier side bearings .somewhat difficult job without the right tooling but can be done.
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Re: Dana 60 problems - bearings? hub seal?

What is the name of that U-shaped part that goes into the axle housing and holds the knuckle?
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Re: Dana 60 problems - bearings? hub seal?

I'm guessing you are talking about the spindle/knuckle mount of the axle housing where the upper and lower ball joints mount???
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Re: Dana 60 problems - bearings? hub seal?

That is it. I am going to try and take it in to Ford on Monday, as there don't seem to be any good axle folks in town.

Is there any kind of conditioner that I could put in the gear oil to try and recondition the seal?
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Re: Dana 60 problems - bearings? hub seal?

Since I am waiting until Monday, I just went under it and tried to add some. It was spilling out of the fill plug. I had just finished driving home, so it was warm. I think that it will be just fine until then.

Can someone tell me who the manufacturer of the upper and lower ball joints is that Ford would be using? Would they be using the Dana/Spicer part that Napa has? I don't have the time to do this myself right now, and I wasn't sure whether or not to get it done. Is there some simple way to make sure my ball joints are good?
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Re: Dana 60 problems - bearings? hub seal?

I just finished rebuilding my "soon to be installed" Dana 60 and I had to remove the the ring gear and carrier to replace both of those seals.
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Re: Dana 60 problems - bearings? hub seal?

If you want to be raped, don't take it to Ford. There is enough knowledge on this board and others that have done this seal change (like me [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img]). If you have some mechanical knowledge and don't mind getting your hands dirty, it is an easy but heavy lifting job.

There are updated seals that you can put in. I made a installer for the seals using some 5/8 threaded rod, 5/8 nuts/washers and PVC bushing reducer.

If you want to know how to do it, just ask. The job is not that bad.

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Re: Dana 60 problems - bearings? hub seal?

I just had mine done, both sides from the U-joints out because I couldn't afford the down time. If your going to do this yourself, make sure you check the spindle bearings and replace the seals while you have it apart that far. If you want to spend the money, now's the time for wheel bearings, seals and brake pads. Those upper and lower ball joints aren't cheap either. I bet the dealer's gonna hit you for at least 8 hrs. labor.
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Re: Dana 60 problems - bearings? hub seal?

What is the name of this seal? I am trying to find it in the repair manual and I am not having an easy time.
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Re: Dana 60 problems - bearings? hub seal?

I'd call it an axle shaft seal just like Napa does here: http://www.napaonline.com/masterpages/NO...nd+-+Front+Axle

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but if your hubs are not engaged you are not spinning anything in the front axle so you could easily put off this repair until you could find someone other than the stealership. This won't be a cheap repair there. Setting the ring and pinion up properly takes knowledge and skill so you don't want just anybody doing it. I've rebuilt the front end on 3 4x4 OBS Strokes but opted to let a professional do my front axle seals. If I knew a patient expert who could watch me do it then I'd try on my own. Can't remember the price but the receipt is somewhere. I think I drove mine with leaky seals for about six months with no harm done.

At least you are smarter than me and are researching this before you start. I tore the left front all the way down to pulling the axle out before realizing the seal didn't come out from there. Major waste of time!
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Re: Dana 60 problems - bearings? hub seal?

I called them up and it sounded like their axle guy really knew his stuff. I felt comfortable with him. I may just pay more on this end and rest a little more comfortably knowing that I got it done right.

Now...on a different note...is there any way to tell if I need new ball joints?
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Re: Dana 60 problems - bearings? hub seal?

I,m not sure the seal in the napa pic is the right one.the seals are known as inner axle seals,any competent parts person will know what you're talking about.to check ball joints raise your front wheel off the ground so the tires are a couple of inches off the ground.use jack stands to support the truck,good heavyduty ones these trucks are heavy in the front!!Next take a prybar of at least 36" long and attempt to pry against the bottom inside of the tire,between the ground and tire ,and force outside pressure against he inside of the tire.if you get any movement in the ball joints they should be serviced.The axle shafts need to be pulled to change the inner axle seals so this might be a good time for balljoints also if there are alot of miles on them,as the shafts have to be pulled to change them also.plus you'll have the opportunity to check and service the wheel bearings and seals also at this time good luck
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Re: Dana 60 problems - bearings? hub seal?

Ball joints are good.

Ford quoted me about $800 to replace the seals, which could always be worse. Does anyone know a good front end shop in Killeen, TX?

While I was there, I did test drive a 2008 Super Suty; our trucks are way better.
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