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Old 07-19-2005, 10:30 AM   #136 (permalink)
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Re: FORD - No Start

Here is a photo of the inside of the IDM off of the 1996 Ford F-250 we have been wrestling with.

that Capacitor is a Radio Shack item...the transformer...Ummmm I donno.

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Re: FORD - No Start

Kris, is oil still comming out aroung that injector? You could be losing just enough pressure that it won't catch.
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Old 07-19-2005, 12:37 PM   #138 (permalink)
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Re: FORD - No Start

I think that oil I seen was there all along, laying in a low area on the cylinder head down hill from the injector. Still possible it needs o-rings though.

But at the moment, that gully wash of fuel running off the back of the intake valley has got to be dealt with.

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Kris, is oil still comming out aroung that injector? You could be losing just enough pressure that it won't catch.

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Re: FORD - No Start

I've had it with this truck...I just went outside again to turn it over some more thinking all the air had not worked out yet (I got an O-ring from a local parts store for the FPR bowl seal)...Hit the key for 15-20 seconds and the starter continued trying to start the engine after I let off the key...I finally had to run up front and yank the battery cables off to keep the truck from burning up...smoke boiling from the starter.

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Old 07-19-2005, 05:10 PM   #140 (permalink)
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Thats caused by your batteries geing low. It welds the soleniod contacts together on the fender. Give it a good wack with a screwdriver handle and charge the batteries.
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partsman----and replace the starter-- [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img]
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Old 07-19-2005, 08:31 PM   #142 (permalink)
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Re: FORD - No Start

I smacked it several times with a pair of pliers thinking that would work before going after the cables. When I hit the starter the batteries were at 12.6 volts (full charge) and had 13.8 volts @ 30 amps being pumped into them.

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Thats caused by your batteries geing low. It welds the soleniod contacts together on the fender. Give it a good wack with a screwdriver handle and charge the batteries.

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Old 07-19-2005, 08:38 PM   #143 (permalink)
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Re: FORD - No Start

I'm really thrilled about taking that starter out again too. Especially that one click at a time ratchet top bolt.

I did not mention it before but the solonoid I replaced was installed with a pair of rounded out phillips round head machine screws and lock-tite. Had to take the whole mess out to have room to get the screws out by cutting a slot in them.

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partsman----and replace the starter-- [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img]

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Re: FORD - No Start

Kris, been a month now, you ready to sell it yet?
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I smacked it several times with a pair of pliers thinking that would work before going after the cables. When I hit the starter the batteries were at 12.6 volts (full charge) and had 13.8 volts @ 30 amps being pumped into them.

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Thats caused by your batteries geing low. It welds the soleniod contacts together on the fender. Give it a good wack with a screwdriver handle and charge the batteries.

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It's definitely caused by low batteries. I work on these things all the time and i've seen it happen several times......

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PS What you need is a proper scan tool. In my humble opinion,, other than the normal obvious stuff it seems like to me these things are impossible to work on without a scan tool capable of reading PIDS and doing functional tests. Try to see if you can find a snap-on scanner to use.
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Old 07-20-2005, 09:30 PM   #146 (permalink)
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Re: FORD - No Start

Sorry to say this, but it sounds like you had one simple problem that turned into many other problems due to bad diagnostics. Don't get mad at the truck for that.

Hope you get it fixed. Charge the batteries up and see what it does.


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Old 07-21-2005, 01:19 AM   #147 (permalink)
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Re: FORD - No Start

Seen, read, does not merit a response.

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Sorry to say this, but it sounds like you had one simple problem that turned into many other problems due to bad diagnostics. Don't get mad at the truck for that.

Hope you get it fixed. Charge the batteries up and see what it does.


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Re: FORD - No Start

As it turns out, nothing wrong with the fender solonoid. The replacement solonoid on the starter was bad out of the box. Suspected this due to this particular gremlin coming to life immediately after it's installation. Worn starter armature may have also caused this, and yes perhaps the batteries too...But most likley a combination.

Action taken: New Starter, Starter solonoid, and batteries installed. One battery tested bad both replaced, fender solonoid on order from advanced auto parts for good measure.

Apparently the fuel leak on the FPR to bowl seal has been dealt with. No more fuel flow off the valley. While I had the FPR off this time I also yanked the snap ring on the bottom and pulled that apart. The brillo filter was clogged, pulled out, and cleaned. getting that O-ring on the lower plate back in place was fun.

The truck is now back to it's first improvement...turns over, fires, but does not start. Brownish black smoke out the tail pipes. Checked the glow plugs on the passengers side when I had that apart and they were good. .08 ohms if I remember correct...Not much but enough to indicate that they were not an open circuit. Guess I need to yank the drivers side again and check those.

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Thats caused by your batteries geing low. It welds the soleniod contacts together on the fender. Give it a good wack with a screwdriver handle and charge the batteries.

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your getting there kris--be just like the terminator--never quit--truck might think its the boss--- [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img]
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No vehicle has EVER beaten me. You should have heard me rant and rave when I was first learning the finer points of 68-81, 82, and 84-96 corvettes years back. I could have sold comedy tapes. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img]

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your getting there kris--be just like the terminator--never quit--truck might think its the boss--- [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img]

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