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Old 02-08-2013, 04:04 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Gouge in engine block

For some of you that have seen my previous post about my head gaskets, I now have a new problem. I just got my heads back from the machine shop so I called my dad to come help me put them on. We have a come-along that we have been using to take them in and out. Well, today while he was lowering the head and I was guiding it..... He pressed the button that let all of the slack out and the head came crashing down on the engine. The head hit the block by cylinder 1 and made an impression in the metal. (see pics)

When I put a light into the cylinder and used a straight edge I can see a little bit of light where the cut in the block is. By looking at the pics, does anyone know if the head gasket will seal this? Or am I screwed? I figured that the compression would leak out since it's on the metal compression ring by the piston. Would JB weld fill the void to seal it, or do I need to take the block out and have it resurfaced? Anyone with KNOWLEDGE on this please reply.

It's been a fun year already..geez
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Gouge in engine block

Not good IMO. I wouldn't use any filler material, and if you can "see" it, it's gonna leak.

Looks like your year just got a little worse, as a trip to the machine shop is what I figure.


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you are going to have to take it back to the machine shop and see if they can plane it again and enough to get rid of it, otherwise it will leak.
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sorry to hear your bad luck. that sucks.
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BlueDiamond,

While refinishing the block may be the best bet, another option may be to go the o-ring or fire-ring route. Also, you'll need to plan on some different head gaskets regardless of the route you choose. You'll need some thicker gaskets if you get the deck surface refinished, or some gaskets that will accept the o-ring or fire-ring if you go that direction.

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BlueDiamond,

While refinishing the block may be the best bet, another option may be to go the o-ring or fire-ring route. Also, you'll need to plan on some different head gaskets regardless of the route you choose. You'll need some thicker gaskets if you get the deck surface refinished, or some gaskets that will accept the o-ring or fire-ring if you go that direction.

Hope it helps,
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Thank you all for your reply's. Just to clear it up. The heads were just resurfaced, not the block. So if I resurface the block (K.N) thats when you would suggest thicker gaskets? Also, what is o-ring or fire-ring mean. Im not familiar with that.

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BlueDiamond,

When you remove material from the mating surfaces of the block or heads during resurfacing, your compression will increase and your clearances will decrease. The thicker head gaskets compensate for this issue. You'll want to do some additional research on o-rings and fire-rings and talk with some very experienced diesel engine machine shops that are familiar with the procedures. Basically, a concentric groove is cut into the block or heads (in this case your block would get the groove) and a metal ring is placed in the groove. With an o-ring set-up, you'd use non-modified gaskets, while a fire-ring set-up requires the crush-ring to be removed from the head gasket. In general, an o-ring set-up is typically preferred for the more mildly built engines and those that see daily driver duty. Fire-rings are commonly used in the most extreme engine builds, and can have longevity issues.

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