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Old 05-17-2008, 01:06 AM   #1 (permalink)
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white smoke

the problem is that the truck is putting white smoke out a lot. and it smells like burnt oil or diesel exhaust. not sweet . the first time it smoked was for like 5 secs and went away. about a week later, i was attempting to do a head gasket replacement. i just got to the point where the passenger head had its valve cover off and the driver side was ready to take off the injectors. i also removed two head bolts. then decided to reassemble the engine and do the gaskets later in the months to come. the reason im doing this is i just bought the truck. the owner told me that the engine over heated but the guage didnt get past the "L" in the word normal. then the oil cooler was replaced because there was coolant in the oil and coolant in the oil. and turns out that after i bought it, it still over heats. found the problem to be a faulty thermostat. replaced that and did a coolant flush from ford, the coolant system is working properly now. also i had a hard time putting that breather back on properly due to the fact the o rings on the bottom expanded. i just put a new order for 4 new o rings for the breather. should be here by tue. anyway the breather is leaking on the valve cover and still pulling that white Olly coolant into the air pipe that goes to the turbo. any help would be nice so i can figure out what needs to be done. our local engine shop wants $2000 to do a head gasket job. btw, its a 97 7.3l powerstroke.
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Old 05-17-2008, 06:51 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Well, is there still coolant in the oil? The CDR will let some oil vapors into the intake. I dont think its enough to make you smoke a lot of white though. consider continuing your first attempt at doing the head gasket.
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Old 05-17-2008, 11:11 AM   #3 (permalink)
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there wasnt any coolant in the oil when i drained it. however there is always a white tip on the dip stick. i just figured there was some of that white oil suck on the end of the dip stick tube. whats the cdr? is that the breather?
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The CDR is the roughly 8" by 2" rectangle on the drivers side valve cover. has a hose that goes from it to the turbo intake. CDR stands for crankcase ventilation.
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Old 05-17-2008, 10:04 PM   #5 (permalink)
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OK, I was removing pieces of a tree stump next to our house today, so I ran the truck on and off for the afternoon. during the whole time that it was on, it was smoking. Toward the end of the day, I notice that there was liquid in the exhaust pipe. put my finger in it, smelled it and looked at it. From what it looked like was a thin burnt orange liquid that had a oily texture to it. Parked it, shut it off and looked at the oil level. The oil level was still full and I really didn't see the white tip on the stick. However the coolant level was a lot lower than it was yesterday. I'm guessing the head gaskets are bad, so ill order them on Mon when Ford opens. the gaskets are like $78 a piece. Does this scenario sound like a head gasket to you?
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Old 05-18-2008, 08:06 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Yeah, it could be a head gasket. Dont rule out cavitation though. Bubbles on the outside of the cylinder wall in the coolant passages implode and eat away the metal, through to the cylinder inside if not taken care of. How well were the additives kept up with?
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Old 05-18-2008, 12:58 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I don’t know how well the additives were kept up with. I think the coolant that was in there was the extended life. But I really don't know. However the proper coolant and additive is in there now since I just had Ford do a flush. All I know that is when the engine overheated, the problems started then. However, the engine was rebuilt at 260k miles and there is now 325k on the engine. The previous owner bought it from the engine shop at 260k rebuilt and sold it to me at 325k. I spoke to the engine shop who rebuilt it said that they checked the cylinder walls for cavitation and didn’t see any. Now can I see the cylinder walls when the head is off through the coolant holes in the block?
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yeah you can see them, but you wont be able to tell if its cavitated since they are only pinholes and verrry small.

I suspect head gaskets.
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Ok, I just pulled off the driver valve colver and the top was covered in the white slime again.
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Keep goin with it, I wanna know if its a blown head gasket, thats what my money is on. Make sure you take a razor to the head and block to make sure you get all the old gasket off.

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Where is the oil drain and the coolant drain in the head?
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Im gonna have to get some tools to remove the injectors. Ill let you know the progress as I go along.
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Don't rule out a faulty oil cooler, it's pretty easy to mess up the o-ring when you're reassembling them.

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Dont worry too much about getting coolant and oil in the cylinders. You can always mop it out or vacuum it. Watch how many shavings and gasket material you get in though, could potentially do some damage to the cyl walls when you start it up. There is a block drain on both sides I think. They are 3/8 pipe threaded plug, mine were chromeish-looking. I wouldnt take the injectors out, Ive never done a head job on a PSD but wont the heads come off fine without taking them off? You could save some cranking time and long purge runs if you didnt drain ALL the oil and fuel from the galleys.



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Actually, the injectors have to come out because there are head bolts under them. Here are some pictures that kinda help show the layout.
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