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Re: Anyone make an inexpensive secondary tranny filter?
mrvmax,
Some time back (4 - 5 years) I bought a filter head/base for a FLA-1 filter and plumbed it in line using 3/8" tubing. I got it from P&W, or PW (don't remember) who used to advertise in the various hotrod magazines. I got the ATF thermostat there too. I've used the set-up since the summer of 99 with no problems. If I find a link I'll add it.
IN EDIT: I was wrong on the name here is the link PAW Back then they only had one huge catalog that I borrowed from a friend at work. Looks like they have several to choose from now. I'm sure Summit or Jegs or another place could set you up too, maybe even find a filter base at the local speed shop.
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Rick:Red 97 F350 CC DRW 4.10/LS E4OD, 28,000GVW trans cooler w/170F thermostat, remote ATF filter, Mobil 1 ATF, Sonnax valve & Tricum springs, Tymar Hi Performance Open Air Intake System W/Donaldson B085011 filter, IH water pump w/integrated coolant filter, BD downpipe & BD 4" cat back exhaust, "SWAMPED", Tymar HX mod, Tymar/Bill's 4 posn. "flip-chip" (this bad boy rocks), Isspro EV gages in 3 hole PITA Pod, "Harpooned" Fuel tanks, Bilstein shocks, Gutted EBPV, Alpine CDA-9825 head unit, Pioneer TS-A1671R 6 1/2" 220W Front, Pioneer TS-A6880R 6"X8" 240W rear, FOKISD member, Beavercreek, Ohio (near Dayton)
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99 Superduty F-350 XLT 7.3 Auto, Dually, reg cab, 8' walk in utility bed 290,000 miles
97 crew cab F-350 SRW 4x4, long bed, 255,000+ miles, 3:55 gears, 255-85-16 tires (33 tall x 10 wide), running Rotela synthetic oil, ford filters, 3" DP, Heavy built E4OD with TUGGER, 7.5' Western Pro plow w/wings 06 Jetta TDI DSG 98 VW BEETLE TDI 5 speed
84 F-250 4x4 6.9, C-6 Auto bought new, 7.5' Western Pro plow w/wings **370,000 miles and counting
Bob riley's system has the by-pass system that was extremely important to me. Let's say that a stock tranny starts spitting up an accelerated rate of metals and clutch materials, but ain't gonna die for another 5 to 10 thousand miles. Your less expensive system's filter gets stopped up and completely stops the flow through your cooler. one hundred, two hundred miles to total destruction? How you going to know before it's to late? I bought the extra gauge so that I could monitor the filter. It is calibrated to let you know that the filter is in need of replacing or that the pressure of the flow through your cooler is out of whack. Here are a couple of pic's of my install. Dieselsite tranny filter
Re: One thing to consider about tranny filter......
Little particles can cause premature failure. If there is enough debris from teh tranny to clog up the filter then I would assume it's too late to save. There is a big difference. Anyway, the spin on filters are cheap and can easily be replaced on a regular basis. Just my preference.
Re: One thing to consider about tranny filter......
I'm not sure if you are understanding that your cheap non-bypass filter and our better bypass filters use the same spin on filters,,,,, the bypass is built into the head and allows fluid to pass in the event the filter becomes restricted,,, this situation could happen without your tranny being on it's death bed.
BUT if you shut down that flow you just put it on it's death bed.
So my $21 filter set will do what your $30 filter set will do and it will bypass. My filter is the same filter used in the $100 Dieselsite kits and uses the same "cheapo" spin ons that the one you pointed out uses. You might try clicking on the links in my first post.
Oh and I saved $9 over yours [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img] I'm sure you can find these all day long for under $30. If you "NEED" a kit maybe you shouldn't be doing this.
Just type a Google search for the filters I named, I'm sure you will find them on-line or at any local Hydraulic supply house.
I been working on hydraulics for years (25?) and own an excavation company, this aint rocket science it's just a filter that won't kill your tranny like the one you are looking at in Summit. 25 micron is all you need for an automatic any less microns and you may start restricting flow. 25 microns is a hell of a lot more than what's in it now,,,, C-6's just ran a screen with no filter,,, always.
Just curious if you even know what a "micron" is in measurement?
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99 Superduty F-350 XLT 7.3 Auto, Dually, reg cab, 8' walk in utility bed 290,000 miles
97 crew cab F-350 SRW 4x4, long bed, 255,000+ miles, 3:55 gears, 255-85-16 tires (33 tall x 10 wide), running Rotela synthetic oil, ford filters, 3" DP, Heavy built E4OD with TUGGER, 7.5' Western Pro plow w/wings 06 Jetta TDI DSG 98 VW BEETLE TDI 5 speed
84 F-250 4x4 6.9, C-6 Auto bought new, 7.5' Western Pro plow w/wings **370,000 miles and counting
DIESELSITE FILTER using a Lenz filter housing with a Baldwin spin on, any spin on with proper threads and micron rating will work.
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99 Superduty F-350 XLT 7.3 Auto, Dually, reg cab, 8' walk in utility bed 290,000 miles
97 crew cab F-350 SRW 4x4, long bed, 255,000+ miles, 3:55 gears, 255-85-16 tires (33 tall x 10 wide), running Rotela synthetic oil, ford filters, 3" DP, Heavy built E4OD with TUGGER, 7.5' Western Pro plow w/wings 06 Jetta TDI DSG 98 VW BEETLE TDI 5 speed
84 F-250 4x4 6.9, C-6 Auto bought new, 7.5' Western Pro plow w/wings **370,000 miles and counting
Re: One thing to consider about tranny filter......
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Just curious if you even know what a "micron" is in measurement?
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No, Oh great one, can you enlighten me? Just kidding, yes I am familiar with micron size. I use filters measured in micron sizes every day at my job. After I posted the last reply I started thinking more about blocking the flow. I probably will go with one with the bypass on it.$100 dollars just seemed a little extreme and braided hoses seemed overkill. I always try to minimize the money I put into vehicles because I normally do not keep my vehicles, I usually trade them in when I get tired of them. I still haven't gotten tired of this truck though. Thanks for the info and for taking the time to post all of that info. The more I look into this and pout some thought into it, the more I see your point.
Re: One thing to consider about tranny filter......
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No, Oh great one, can you enlighten me?
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<font color="blue"> OK YES I DESERVED THAT!!!!! HA HA [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img]
Just was maybe Bulldozing a point,,,, [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]</font>
<font color="green"> For those that don't know a "MICRON" is 1/1000 of a milimeter,,,, yes slice a milimeter into 1000 equal slices and you have the thickness of a Micron. </font>
If you are familliar with Northern Tool I would bet they have the filters I mentioned I know they carry the Buyer's Products line anyway.
Oil is Oil for the most part as far as filters go as long as there isn't something in the oil that the filter isn't resistant to.
The micron rating is the most important part as it can limit flow and it determines filtration quality,,, so microns, filter size, flow needs (gpm) and oil viscosity are the factors in getting the right filter. Hydraulics are ALWAYS 10 micron or less because of the high pressures and close tolerences on pumps. Our engines use a hydraulic pump for the injector oil and that is why our engine oil is so critical on quality and cleanliness.
High flow with low micron count would require a large filter to provide proper flow. Gear lube would require a larger filter than ATF due to flowability of oil. Hot oil flows better than cold oil so something having lower operating temps would use a larger filter than the same thing at higher temps.
The filter housing I posted links to is rated at 15 GPM on a return line (a LOT less on a suction line)(not sure at what temp) our tranny requires 1 GPM through the cooler circuit.
It takes around 5 PSI to push 1 GPM through 30 feet of 5/16 tubing using the Hazen Williams head loss formula.
This filter will bypass at 25 PSI and they offer one that bypasses at 15 PSI,,, I thought about getting that one but went with the 25 PSI.
Any hydraulic supply house should have these filters for $30 or less if not contact MILL'S TRUCK EQUIPMENT in EVANSVILLE INDIANA 812-479-9700 and ask for Jim Brown tell him you want a Buyer's Products HFA11025 with a 25 micron filter instead of the 10 micron,,, Tell him Lee Wirthwein sent you,,,, you'll have some freight cost and <font color="red"> DO NOT TELL HIM WHAT I PAID FOR MINE!!!!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] Don't burn my bridges,,,</font>
Like I said though you should be able to get this filter most anyplace or one just like it under a different name,,, I'm sure baldwin and Wix put their names on them as well and you'll pay for that I am sure.
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99 Superduty F-350 XLT 7.3 Auto, Dually, reg cab, 8' walk in utility bed 290,000 miles
97 crew cab F-350 SRW 4x4, long bed, 255,000+ miles, 3:55 gears, 255-85-16 tires (33 tall x 10 wide), running Rotela synthetic oil, ford filters, 3" DP, Heavy built E4OD with TUGGER, 7.5' Western Pro plow w/wings 06 Jetta TDI DSG 98 VW BEETLE TDI 5 speed
84 F-250 4x4 6.9, C-6 Auto bought new, 7.5' Western Pro plow w/wings **370,000 miles and counting
Re: One thing to consider about tranny filter......
The BYPASS filters won't handle the outlet temps (212* max),,,, they must be in the return line with the reduced temps.
I assume their reasoning for this is due to the bypass valve being plastic and I guess the high temps could distort the face.
They will do fine on the return side.
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99 Superduty F-350 XLT 7.3 Auto, Dually, reg cab, 8' walk in utility bed 290,000 miles
97 crew cab F-350 SRW 4x4, long bed, 255,000+ miles, 3:55 gears, 255-85-16 tires (33 tall x 10 wide), running Rotela synthetic oil, ford filters, 3" DP, Heavy built E4OD with TUGGER, 7.5' Western Pro plow w/wings 06 Jetta TDI DSG 98 VW BEETLE TDI 5 speed
84 F-250 4x4 6.9, C-6 Auto bought new, 7.5' Western Pro plow w/wings **370,000 miles and counting
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