Big Oil

[SVT]

Pro's and cons between stealth and terminator. Install, fit, 4 line vs. 2, dual or single IPR. I just want to make the right choice the first time. PLEASE NO FIGHTING. Just calm answers. Thank you.

[caryt]

Read the million posts on this..or trying to get repeat answers will lead to ... The 2 camps will never agree so pick the one ya like and the people you trust...I did

Cary

[wackerjr]

Basically what he said.

Call the vendors, then call customers, every system has pro's and con's. Every system has their reasons for doing it the way they do. And EVERY system has a person who will tell you problems with it........

Make the calls, don't waste your time here, or do with the search function you will see that there is MORE than enough information to make your decision.


Everyone has their preference.


I will put up the first vote,

1 for TE with RIPR.

[SVT]

All I could find in the search is the fight about IPR's. You say both systems have con's, what are they? I would prefer con answers from the people running that system. I would call the vendor but they are sales men nobody selling something is going to tell you what's wrong with it, hence my post. are they both the same size, does anything need to be massaged to fit? 2 lines vs 4, do I need 4 if I have the Xover oil line? IPR's is it true the truck doesn't like to run with no programming on 1 IPR if I'm having a chip redone or is it a truck by truck thing? Or is this a Coke and Pepsi thing and I just take what's on tap? Thanks for info.

[GSXRTURBOQUAD]

Well, the TE is a little shorter(over all length). No massaging to fit, unless you have high rise intakes, and if you do, tell me and I'll clearance the pumps to fit(free of charge). TE runs perfect with a single IPR and stock programs.

Oh, and Pepsi is my choice. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]

[danjreed]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SVT</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> 2 lines vs 4, do I need 4 if I have the Xover oil line?</div></div>
4 lines is best, and probably the easiest. This will deliver oil from as many points as is practically possible. The Xover will work if you prefer a 2 line system, you just need to tie the two pumps together before the heads.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SVT</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> IPR's is it true the truck doesn't like to run with no programming on 1 IPR if I'm having a chip redone or is it a truck by truck thing?</div></div>
That depends on your truck. Some seem to be OK with dual OEM pumps & 1 IPR on true stock programming. Others stumble and want to die. If you occassionally pull your chip to loan the truck out, or have ever had the pleasure (not!) of having a chip work loose just before you stage on the track, then you'll want dual IPRs. It just makes sure that the truck can run. [/quote]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SVT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Or is this a Coke and Pepsi thing and I just take what's on tap? Thanks for info. </div></div>
There is also the Swamps gen3 system, and the BTS system. Out of production, but occasionally available used is the PsychoPump. Then there are the people who have made their own big oil system. Usually some variant of one of the suppliers systems, but customized to their truck & needs.

Here is one of the last semi-civil threads on this topic:
http://forums.thedieselstop.com/forums/u...899#Post1302899

[wackerjr]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cowboy_Dan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SVT</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> 2 lines vs 4, do I need 4 if I have the Xover oil line?</div></div>
4 lines is best, and probably the easiest. This will deliver oil from as many points as is practically possible. The Xover will work if you prefer a 2 line system, you just need to tie the two pumps together before the heads.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SVT</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> IPR's is it true the truck doesn't like to run with no programming on 1 IPR if I'm having a chip redone or is it a truck by truck thing?</div></div>
That depends on your truck. Some seem to be OK with dual OEM pumps & 1 IPR on true stock programming. Others stumble and want to die. If you occassionally pull your chip to loan the truck out, or have ever had the pleasure (not!) of having a chip work loose just before you stage on the track, then you'll want dual IPRs. It just makes sure that the truck can run. </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SVT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Or is this a Coke and Pepsi thing and I just take what's on tap? Thanks for info. </div></div>
There is also the Swamps gen3 system, and the BTS system. Out of production, but occasionally available used is the PsychoPump. Then there are the people who have made their own big oil system. Usually some variant of one of the suppliers systems, but customized to their truck & needs.

Here is one of the last semi-civil threads on this topic:
http://forums.thedieselstop.com/forums/u...899#Post1302899 [/quote]
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See this is alot of what you are going to get on these types of questions. That is his opinion he is entitled to......I have always felt the opposite.

4 lines is more of a hassle. More stuff under our already crowded hoods. More places to leak. More places to fail. And more parts to buy. Single vs dual IPR is really the same way....what ever the person feels is best. I say the same as above. Splicing a harness, 99% of HPOP probs are usually IPR related, so having 2 just means having to figure out what one is the fault. This is why I suggested the RIPR.

You know it goes like this.
BTS 2IPRs 2 Lines (CALE, Dockboy, Zane all make big power)
Stelph can run with one ipr and 2 lines but is strongly reccomended to run with 2 and 4 (Luke, Tubzz, Sapps, can't think of any more of the top of my head)
Terminator, has alway been and always will be 1 IPR and 2 lines (IMELMO, DLott, Bunting, BigRPower, Thuglike)
Gen3 (not sure of the guys on this site making big power to reference you to)

ALL of the pumps have guys making huge power, and all have guys that just tow, daily drive etc. So saying that one is better than the other is really a mute point anymore. Because all you are going to get is the guys telling you which one they prefer. I obviously prefer TE pumps.

My reasoning is obviously I started the design......Joey has taken it to a new level beyond what I had even imagined. With:

Lifetime Warranty
Satisfaction Gurantee
The new Remote IPR mount (eliminates the need to remove the pumps to service them(see IPR comment above)
2 NEW pumps not using your old ones(however this can be arranged with 1 or 2 of customer supplied pumps.)
And this has been debated over and over again as well, but the 3800 PSI really does help driveability on all the units he has running it to date.


Now for the disclaimer:
I typed this totally in response to the asker on this thread, "other" camps stay away from attacking me...as I refrained from doing so in this post.

[SVT]

You guys have been great thank you for the civility

[Thunder_struck]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SVT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pro's and cons between stealth and terminator. Install, fit, 4 line vs. 2, dual or single IPR. I just want to make the right choice the first time. PLEASE NO FIGHTING. Just calm answers. Thank you. </div></div>

Im running the stealth 4 line 2 ipr setup with rather large injectors, and its working very well.

[SVT]

I understand they all make high pressures and great power I don't doubt anybody is dissatisfied with one or the other. was just wondering about quirks between them thank you all

[caryt]

I would think if you made a choice of who to buy your inj. and turbo from..you would trust his opinion on which big oil to get.

Cary

[Love_Them_Fords]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I would think if you made a choice of who to buy your inj. and turbo from..you would trust his opinion on which big oil to get.
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What if he bought them Used and from different people?


My Suggestion is buy a BTS System and dont worry about all the stinkin Bickering about which one is best between Termi and stealth, Should I use 2 IPRs, Should I use 2 or 4 lines, Should I use a Remote IPR, which one is best, blah blah blah Sheesh....

[danjreed]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SVT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I understand they all make high pressures and great power I don't doubt anybody is dissatisfied with one or the other. was just wondering about quirks between them thank you all </div></div>

I'm going to try to say this as carefully as I can without making anybody furious:

The Terminator (T) and Stealth (S) both use OEM pumps. Any problems with the OEM style pumps (I don't know of any) will also be in both T & S. Both T & S use a shaft and coupler of some sort to connect the two pumps. Both T & S use a block between the two pumps to direct oil and align the shafts of the pumps.
When 2 companies/people set out to do the same thing, using the same major components, they end up with very similar products.

There have been, to my knowledge & searches, no installation or assembly issues which are peculiar to either one. No special quirks, tricks, magic words, spells, potions, phrases, tools, required by either system for installation.

[Tom S]

How much is the BTS one now days and is it true that they no longer use the 530 pump and instead use a modified SD pump up top?

Tom

[SVT]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: caryt</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I would think if you made a choice of who to buy your inj. and turbo from..you would trust his opinion on which big oil to get.

Cary </div></div>


If you ran pro comp tires and pro comp shocks does that mean you wouldn't atleast look at a fabtech lift? $2000 is $2000 no matter how I spend it. still love ya Cary.