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Old 09-05-2007, 10:57 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Clutch in to start - Switch delete??

Hi all,
Well my truck, a few times, not will not start because what I believe is the switch on the Clutch. If I skake it enough it has started. I have bought a new switch but it was like 40 bucks. I don't need this safety feature. Is there a way to trick the system so I can take this over-priced switch back? Thanks
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Old 09-05-2007, 12:51 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Clutch in to start - Switch delete??

I am very interested in this, too. I am holding mine together with a small c-clamp, which means no cruise control. I know this has been done before, but I couldn't find a schematic in my search.
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Re: Clutch in to start - Switch delete??

if u unhook it wouldnt that make it think the clutch is still relased
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Re: Clutch in to start - Switch delete??

An automatic has a jumper installed in the plug for the wiring harness, I do not know if this will also disable the cruise cutout when you release the clutch though.

You should be able to get the jumper at a salvage yard.

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Re: Clutch in to start - Switch delete??

hmmmm, usually you can just jumper the wires, but i'll bet that will cancel your cruise
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Re: Clutch in to start - Switch delete??

You can do exactly this. Behind the right pedal there is a grop of wires that go into a plug. It is on one side or the other at the extreme end. One of the wires is white with a pink tracer. The other wire is right next to it.

I used a blue spade connector. I drilled out the side that stops the wire so it would fit over both wires at once. Clamped it tight and never looked back.
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UPDATED 1/1/09 Replace so far. 1 LUK flywheel+clutch, 2 thermostats, 2 set of brakes, 1 set of calipers, 5 CPS, 3 sets of tires, 2 Transfer pumps, 1 Injector modual, 1 Computer, 2 Alt, 2 sets of batteries, 1 Water pump, 6 Belts, 1 PS hose, 2 Sets ball joints, 2 set u-joints, 2 carrier bearing, 2 Speed sensors, 1 oil pres sender, 1 temp sender, 4 sets of e-break cables, 1 front fuel tank, 2 rear fuel tanks, 2 set of glow plugs, 7 Glow plug relays, Oil galley o-rings, Turbo pedistal o-rings, EBPV o-rings, 3 sets of Injector O-rings, 1 Vac-pump, 1 new carpet, 1 total paint job.Total $$$ in repairs v/s miles driven = 4.6 cents per mile. Add fuel to that it jumps to 16.5 cents per mile over the life of the truck.
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Re: Clutch in to start - Switch delete??

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Believer45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">An automatic has a jumper installed in the plug for the wiring harness, I do not know if this will also disable the cruise cutout when you release the clutch though.
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Has anyone with a stick gone this route, and does it cancel the cruise?

Let me get this right, Dave - the wiring harness that plugs into the clutch safety switch has a jumper that is included with the auto trucks to bypass the clutch safety switch feature. Does anyone have a PN for this thing? It is hard for me to get to a JY, and this might be quicker.

Mark - did jumpering those wires let you use your cruise control?
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Re: Clutch in to start - Switch delete??

I have a stick and I have cruise.
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Re: Clutch in to start - Switch delete??

Thanks guys I am going to try to jump the wires and will let you know if it works.
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Re: Clutch in to start - Switch delete??

I went to a dealer to find out the wires. A tech was able to tell me.

Even then I tested them before I started splicing together.
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Re: Clutch in to start - Switch delete??

To answer the cruise question clearly:
the start safety switch is separate from the cruise cancel switch - yes, it is in the same switch assembly but these two use separate wires.

So if you bypass the starter safety switch, your cruise control will still function correctly, just leave the black plastic cylindrical swith on the clutch rod, do not remove it.

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Re: Clutch in to start - Switch delete??

Also, consider where the bushing is in the pushrod, if it had metal to metal wear (when the bushing went out) this will make a difference in starting. I know this firsthand and dealt with it for months before replacing the whole master cylinder. That could be the starting problem, as it was for me.
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Re: Clutch in to start - Switch delete??

I cut that off when I replaced all of my hydraulics and replaced with the heim joint. Much more consistent pedal now.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ironcwb1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Also, consider where the bushing is in the pushrod, if it had metal to metal wear (when the bushing went out) this will make a difference in starting. I know this firsthand and dealt with it for months before replacing the whole master cylinder. That could be the starting problem, as it was for me. </div></div>

Iron what kind of problems did this give you? I cut the two white wire(with tracers) and spliced together. It did not work. So I put my new switch I still have the same problem some time it does not want to start. Radio and A/C go off when I have turn the key but it acts just like the clutch is not depressed. Please help on this. I am not out of ideas and 40 bucks.
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Re: Clutch in to start - Switch delete??

I don't have a manual but,

I think the white wired switch is for the cruise switch.

the red/blue wired switch is for the start switch.
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