OK, talk to me about exhaust breaks, what are you guys running besides the EBPV, I already gutted mine. I found this on Ebay auction I dont have cruse on my 97 F350 would finding a trany comand box be worth my while? I am also puttting on a new stainless system at the same time, wheres the best place to put one of these? I kinda want it under the hood to keep it out of the elements but I am not sure that it will fit. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]
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97 4X4 standard cab, Black paint & Black Windows. MBRP turbo back,Gutted EBPV, Transgo kit shift kit,big cooler, trany&EGT guages, BB shim, Tymar intake, amzoil in the dif's, TS chip,waiting on injectors...
WRKTRK for a licence plate.
95 4x4 standard cab soon to be a dumping flat bed, its the lawn mowing truck. Totaly stock for now
Although I don't have one yet, I've been studying exhaust brakes for some time. The SP Diesel set up you linked to is a system to use the EBPV as an exhaust brake. A cheap alternative to a real one. Worth the money, probably, but I wanted the restriction of the EBPV out of there. Besides the EBPV as an exhaust brake has a few potential problems. I didn't want the possibility of the oil leak from the EBPV actuator. It also doesn't have the braking power or RPM range of the real units. That said, there are several on here running it that way with sucess. It is worth what it costs to set up if you arent worried about the above.
For me, longevity, trouble free, and braking power across a wide RPM range are important. There are several makers or brakes to fit this truck. BD, Jacobs, Pac Brake, Banks, and US Gear. One consideration is if you get a turbo mounted one, you can't upgrade turbos later.
For me a divorced mount is important. Also you can then run a 4" so there is no possibility of an exhaust restriction. The next consideration is how the backpressure is regulated. Most of the above use a calibrated orfice in the butterfly plate to be sure the exhaust backpressure doesn't get too high. The only exception I've seen is the US Gear De-Cellerator. It uses a set up similar to a wastegate to control the backpressure. At lower rpms, the butterfly is shut tight. As the rpm and backpressure rise, the "wastegate" pressure control valve controls the pressure. This way you get braking power across a wide RPM range, not just peak Rpm. I want to go this way since I have a stick and in the mountains, my goal is to not touch the brakes.
I have experience setting up big rigs and installing and maintaining engine brakes as well as exhaust brakes. Any exhaust brake is good, it's better if it has a good braking power across a range of RPM.
I have several trucks in my fleet with Allisons and Jake brakes, Some Volvo 7litre engines with exhaust brakes that get used 400+ times a day, and some 13 speed Cummins powered rigs with Jakes. We used to have 3 8V92 Detriots with Jakes. The new thing is the 12 litre Volvo with the compression brake and the exhaust brake. You can come down to about 12 mph with out hitting the brakes!
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Mine: 91 F250 Reg Cab 4x4 5spd 7.3IDI 4.10LS 145,000 miles. Banks Sidewinder 92 D60 F axle w 97 brakes and Powerlock. Lift: about 4" over stock 250. 33x12.50x16.5 Pro Comp MTs Magnaflow 12" muffler. Sees dirt everyday. Used to haul hay, wood, feed cows, check fence.
Hers: 96F250 CCSB 7.3 PSD 4x4 5spd 3.55 LS 190,000 miles. Puchased 7/03, Looked for a 5spd CCSB for a year!Dana 60 front axle, at stock F350 height (for now) Energy Poly bushings, Bilsteins, 305/70/16 Pro Comps on 16x10 Weld Outbacks, AFE Pro7,TYMAR 3x3.5x4 downpipe,TYMAR 5" straightpipe, gutted EBV, IH Non EBV pedistal,New Alliant AC Injectors,(stage 1)Cal reg kit, SBC Con O clutch, permenent clutch bushing fix, AC mod with a different twist, AMP Powersteps with custom brackets and wiring(one of 2 OBS trucks with them according to AMP) Line of Fire. Sees dirt everyday.
My Company pickup: 86 F250 6.9 C6 320,000 miles Co trucks 5 89 to 94 IDI's, plus about 50 more diesels.
Diesel Mechanic 28 yrs
Since we got this started anybody have any positive or negative experinces to share? I know Dale Isley likes the US Gear brake.
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Mine: 91 F250 Reg Cab 4x4 5spd 7.3IDI 4.10LS 145,000 miles. Banks Sidewinder 92 D60 F axle w 97 brakes and Powerlock. Lift: about 4" over stock 250. 33x12.50x16.5 Pro Comp MTs Magnaflow 12" muffler. Sees dirt everyday. Used to haul hay, wood, feed cows, check fence.
Hers: 96F250 CCSB 7.3 PSD 4x4 5spd 3.55 LS 190,000 miles. Puchased 7/03, Looked for a 5spd CCSB for a year!Dana 60 front axle, at stock F350 height (for now) Energy Poly bushings, Bilsteins, 305/70/16 Pro Comps on 16x10 Weld Outbacks, AFE Pro7,TYMAR 3x3.5x4 downpipe,TYMAR 5" straightpipe, gutted EBV, IH Non EBV pedistal,New Alliant AC Injectors,(stage 1)Cal reg kit, SBC Con O clutch, permenent clutch bushing fix, AC mod with a different twist, AMP Powersteps with custom brackets and wiring(one of 2 OBS trucks with them according to AMP) Line of Fire. Sees dirt everyday.
My Company pickup: 86 F250 6.9 C6 320,000 miles Co trucks 5 89 to 94 IDI's, plus about 50 more diesels.
Diesel Mechanic 28 yrs
I like the US Gear Brakes as well, my dad has one on his '01. I like it better, because it uses a wastegate rather than an orifice, which allows you to set it where it needs to be.
Yea that is defenitly some good info! keep em coming!
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97 4X4 standard cab, Black paint & Black Windows. MBRP turbo back,Gutted EBPV, Transgo kit shift kit,big cooler, trany&EGT guages, BB shim, Tymar intake, amzoil in the dif's, TS chip,waiting on injectors...
WRKTRK for a licence plate.
95 4x4 standard cab soon to be a dumping flat bed, its the lawn mowing truck. Totaly stock for now
After getting my brakes smoking pulling a 4 horse gooseneck trailer here in the mountains of Colorado, I start looking into exhaust brakes. This was long before I found this site so was unable to get all of the good advice I have since enjoyed.
I decided to go with the US Gear because of the complete restriction and the use of the waste gate instead of the orifice to control pressure. My only issue with it is that now I have it for a 3 1/2 inch exhuast and can't go any bigger except for behind it. I am planning on moving it closer to the front by putting it in the cat delete pipe so I can get the 3 1/2 inch to be as short of a run as I can and go bigger after that.
One other issue. I paid about $800 for it and installed it myself. After about a year, it cost me about the same amount to get it repaired. The dealer I bought it from was out of business and I had lost all of my paper work so if there was a warranty, I was out of luck. The mechanic had to work with US Gear and ended up replacing everthing but the body of the brake. Motor, wiring, computer and throttle switch were all replaced.
It sure makes it easy to warm the truck up when I close the brake and turn my chip to high idle though.
Barry
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1996 F350 4x4 crew cab, ZF 5 speed, long bed, 4:10 gears, ALF4 PCM Code, rebuilt motor at 186,500 miles, <font color="red"> Swamps Babies and 20* HPOP </font> <font color="blue"> Wildman 4 position chip </font> Super Duty Intercooler using GTS Motorsports install kit, Luk cerametalic clutch w/single mass flywheel, Amsoil synthetic tranny fluid, Tymar intake, Hypermax down pipe, Oil rail crossover, 1.0 A/R turbo housing, Diamond Cut Headlights, U.S. Gear Decelerator exhaust brake, Stancor 586-902 GPR. Autometer EGT and Boost guages on A-pillar. AMSOIL dual bypass oil filter, AMSOIL Series 3000 Synthetic 5W-30 Heavy Duty Diesel Oil, Shimmed FPR with BB, Permanent clutch bushing fix, Driver seat mod with lumbar fix
I think I am going to go with one of these, I just ordered my stainless MRBP turbo back. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smokin.gif[/img] Placement is my next issue, I dont realy want to put it down underneath, beacuse of the salt we have on the roads around here. Anybody use the first clamp out of the turbo to hold one side of the break? Is there enough room to slide the down pipe over? Ebay Brake
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97 4X4 standard cab, Black paint & Black Windows. MBRP turbo back,Gutted EBPV, Transgo kit shift kit,big cooler, trany&EGT guages, BB shim, Tymar intake, amzoil in the dif's, TS chip,waiting on injectors...
WRKTRK for a licence plate.
95 4x4 standard cab soon to be a dumping flat bed, its the lawn mowing truck. Totaly stock for now
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