Do I have to worry about the temp on the 5spd manual like yins with autos do? All you auto guys have trans coolers and stuff, and I was wondering if it is tha same with manuals
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1995 Ford F-250 7.3L 5spd Std. Cab- My "Mods"-
4 Stickers, Fuzzy Dice, Leather Steering Wheel Cover, and AIC Pedal Covers. LOl. Go Fast mods ASAP
they can get hot from what people with gauges have said... if you tow and shift sensibly i think it'll be alright. i say this cause all the zf's running around towing all kinds of stuff and never have problems. idk though, i don't worry about it much seeing as i never tow. someone will chime in with actually numbers though...
Yup they get hot. They hold much less fluid than the autos too. I change my fluid every 25-30K. Comes out nasty every time.
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1996 F-250 extended cab long box five speed. Home made Tymar, 203 Stat, 60 gal in bed fuel cell, 315/75's, no muffler, ebpv welded open 3" to 3" DP, Babies. 290K, still chugging, and still smoking when cold.
UPDATED 8/1/08 Replace so far. 1 LUK flywheel+clutch, 2 thermostats, 2 set of brakes, 1 set of calipers, 5 CPS, 3 sets of tires, 2 Transfer pumps, 1 Injector modual, 1 Computer, 2 Alt, 2 sets of batteries, 1 Water pump, 6 Belts, 1 PS hose, 2 Sets ball joints, 2 set u-joints, 2 carrier bearing, 2 Speed sensors, 1 oil pres sender, 1 temp sender, 4 sets of e-break cables, 1 front fuel tank, 2 rear fuel tanks, 2 set of glow plugs, 6 Glow plug relays, Oil galley o-rings, Turbo pedistal o-rings, EBPV o-rings, 3 sets of Injector O-rings, 1 Vac-pump, 1 new carpet.Total $$$ in repairs v/s miles driven = 3.0 cents per mile. Add fuel to that it jumps to 14.8 cents per mile over the life of the truck.
I'd imagine that if you really wanted to do a cooler you could, but wouldn't you need a pump too? The only advantage that I can see it that the Scyros(sp?) will live a little longer, not that I have heard of any really bad problmes to start with. just my $.02
I would say with all the miles the guys on this site have on that ZF box, a good synthetic lube and you'll get many many miles out of that box with good shifting technique.
If you like to do hole shots, well, not much of anything will hold up to that kind of impact loading!
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Belleville, MI (Detroit / Ann Arbor)
'97 F250 4x4 7.3PSD ZF5spd 4L10
PA2818 diy intake, wicked wheel diy turbo rebuild, .84 turbo housing, no muffler, I LOVE MY BEANS TS'ers! ;-), new pedal box bushings, Fleetgaurd coolant filter, Seat Mod, electric fan, Eagle 16x8 w/265 75 Firestone Steeltex AT, cooling pkg front bumper
'69 Mustang 428CJ(ongoing project)
'99 escort zx2 commuter
'86 Supra classic ski boat 351W PCM power
'54 Belair sedan, all original
I personally have never heard of a temp guage on a manual tranny or a tranny cooler (as said earlier you'd need a pump to push the fluid around). Manual trannys don't have a TC to generate all that deadly heat [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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1997 F-250 PSD crew cab shortbox 4x4 E4OD trans 3.55 gears, aftermarket downpipe EBPV gutted, 20.3mpg, 152,xxx miles and climbing (slowly)
1998 VW JETTA TDI (1.9L turbo direct injection diesel) GATOR ECONO CHIP, EGR eliminate, straight pipe, powerplus764 injectors, 55+ miles per gallon! 134,xxx miles and climbing (quickly)
I personally have never heard of a temp guage on a manual tranny or a tranny cooler (as said earlier you'd need a pump to push the fluid around). Manual trannys don't have a TC to generate all that deadly heat [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Don't the SD's run a cooler on the 6 speeds? Our trany's stay cool until you load them in OD then they get very hot.
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1996 F-250 extended cab long box five speed. Home made Tymar, 203 Stat, 60 gal in bed fuel cell, 315/75's, no muffler, ebpv welded open 3" to 3" DP, Babies. 290K, still chugging, and still smoking when cold.
UPDATED 8/1/08 Replace so far. 1 LUK flywheel+clutch, 2 thermostats, 2 set of brakes, 1 set of calipers, 5 CPS, 3 sets of tires, 2 Transfer pumps, 1 Injector modual, 1 Computer, 2 Alt, 2 sets of batteries, 1 Water pump, 6 Belts, 1 PS hose, 2 Sets ball joints, 2 set u-joints, 2 carrier bearing, 2 Speed sensors, 1 oil pres sender, 1 temp sender, 4 sets of e-break cables, 1 front fuel tank, 2 rear fuel tanks, 2 set of glow plugs, 6 Glow plug relays, Oil galley o-rings, Turbo pedistal o-rings, EBPV o-rings, 3 sets of Injector O-rings, 1 Vac-pump, 1 new carpet.Total $$$ in repairs v/s miles driven = 3.0 cents per mile. Add fuel to that it jumps to 14.8 cents per mile over the life of the truck.
I've got a guage on mine. On a hot afternoon, say around 95-100 degrees outside on my daily 40 miles trip home from work I can see about 140 degrees on the trans temp gauge. When I pull a 5th wheel thats about 8k Lbs I see close to 180-200 degrees. It all depends on RPM's. For the everyday guy I don't see a problem w/ heat build-up. While they do have less fluid than an E4OD, the ZF's cool off faster becasue they have less fluid. I imagine that the aluminum case might help a little also.
If I had it to do my gauges over again, I problably would not get a trans temp.
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His: '95 F350 CrewCab, 3.55 SRW, 5spd std w/ Royal Purple, LUK SMFW, VDO Pillar gauges, Homemade open air intake, 3" Downpipe W/ 4" cat-back exhaust from Tymar, Tunes by DP Tuner, Baby Seat Mod on rear bench, 198K miles. It gets 21-23 mpg consistently (on the highway) and 17 mpg in town. My remaining planned mod list includes Amsoil & electric radiator fans.
Hers: 2004 Chevy Malibu Classic; 2.2Ecotec 4 cylinder. VERY dissapointed in mpg's.
Company Car (Daily Drive): 2007 Chevy Impala, Jet Black
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If I had it to do my gauges over again, I probably would not get a trans temp.
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Why not? I have a tranny temp gauge and sending unit that I have not got around to installing yet. I was planning on getting it done one of these days. Why would you not do it over again?
It has been nice a few times having it, but I find that I just don't tow enough to justify the extra cost. If I towed more I'd probably do it again. Especially as hot as it gets here in the summer. Knowing what I know now I should have gotten a real oil gauge or something similar. I just don't look at the trans temp unless I'm on a long trip w/ a trailer. THat's just me though.
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His: '95 F350 CrewCab, 3.55 SRW, 5spd std w/ Royal Purple, LUK SMFW, VDO Pillar gauges, Homemade open air intake, 3" Downpipe W/ 4" cat-back exhaust from Tymar, Tunes by DP Tuner, Baby Seat Mod on rear bench, 198K miles. It gets 21-23 mpg consistently (on the highway) and 17 mpg in town. My remaining planned mod list includes Amsoil & electric radiator fans.
Hers: 2004 Chevy Malibu Classic; 2.2Ecotec 4 cylinder. VERY dissapointed in mpg's.
Company Car (Daily Drive): 2007 Chevy Impala, Jet Black
I've had a gauge on my ZF for awhile now. I am going to go ahead and put a cooler with an external pump on the thing. I almost have all the parts. I emailed this site because I said I would do an article on the install but no one responded. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img] Anyway, I see higher temps than I'd like to see with this tranny, especialy when out on the highway in 5th. For example, today temp was 50's and it was raining towing a trailer that probably weighs around 4000 lbs tranny ran up to 180 and I was running around 70-75. I've hit 210-215 on a hot day pulling about the same weight. Granted I don't have 4.10's which would probably run cooler, but I don't like the idea of running my tranny fluid at the point where it could start to break down. All the autos are supposed to run cooler with the same fluid so why shouldn't I expect that from my tranny. Plus, I just had my tranny rebuilt to the tune of $2k, so a couple more hundred that could save me $2k down the road I'll happily spend. Nick.
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1996 ext. cab, long bed, 4x4, 5spd. PSD, 3.55LS, Ford AIC, drainplugged Dana 50, EBPV brake, tranny cooler and gauge, Tymar intake, Tymar 4" downpipe and 4" exhaust. No kitty.
Nick Kent, I also feel the temps are to high. I have been getting parts to install a cooler. But I dont have leads on a pump. What pump did you come up with?
The two pumps that I have researched have been the Weldon and the Mocal pumps. The Weldon is nice, but expensive. The Mocal is cheaper, but still a couple of bills. You would also probably want to throw a thermostatically controlled switch into the system to keep from cooling the oil when its not needed. With all the lines, pump, cooler, switch, and modified (or billet) PTO covers, its not a cheap mod by any means! Cheers!
1996 F350 Crew Cab-4x4-5spd-White&Silver-150k 7.3L PSD-3" dp-Muffler & Cat cut out-Gutted EBPV-3 piller gauge pod,egt,boost,trans temp-10kmod-Rhino liner-LMC rear bumper w/lights-custom made cold air intake-
Linear Mode
