I have been a member for many years but this is my first post.
I am going to take a long trip across country pulling a gooseneck horse trailer with living quarters. I took my 97 f250 into a local diesel shop to have it checked out. I don't want any trouble with horses on board. I wanted to add an intercooler and exhaust brake. The diesel shop fixed a few minor problems and the tranny tested ok. However, they suggested that before I do anything more to the engine, I should replace the tranny with a beefed up one from BD. They felt that by adding more power and the exhaust brake that I would be taking a big risk with the tranny on this trip. The truck has 74,000 miles on it pulling with no trouble so far. Would replacing the tranny first be the smart thing to do? Thanks in advance.
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Who knows? 74k is not many miles. The problem with a tranny is it is very hard to get what you want while you are on the road with the truck broke down. I don't know anything about the BD tranny. If you trip is taking you through Missouri or Arkansas and you are thinking of getting the tranny I would make a stop in Lead Hill and get a BTS. You will not worry about the tranny again regardless of the mods.
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While 74,000 is not a lot my tranny first went out at 93,000. So it can happen I would say to add a bigger cooler for the tranny as the factory is modest to say the least. I use a tru-cool h7b it kept my factory tranny at 150 degrees. I would also change out the fluid and NOT FLUSH it. Also get a set of gauges.
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You need a few things:
Guages
Tymar intake especally if that AFE is the first one.
Tymar 4" exhaust and 3-4" downpipe
A Tony Wildman 4 pos. chip! with a tow lockup setting for the BD brake
You could put in a BTS VB
A upgraded TQ...talk to Dale at Tymar on it.
When your ready get a BTS trans NOT a BD!!!
Cary
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Thanks Star JM. I will look in to BTS before replacing tranny. I'll go back thru some of the posts on BTS.
Blind Viper, I am going to replace the tranny cooler and lines at the same time that I have the exaust brake added.
I thought that adding the intercooler would help keep exaust temperatures down and be easier on the engine long term. I didn't think about the strain on the tranny. $6000.00 for built up trany and converter installation was a shock. I might go with the exhaust brake and forget the intercooler for now. I was thinking about some of the mountain passes I would have to climb. Here in Washington, most of my pulling is flatland. I have gauges but I need to get busy and install them.
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I have been a member for many years but this is my first post.
I am going to take a long trip across country pulling a gooseneck horse trailer with living quarters. I took my 97 f250 into a local diesel shop to have it checked out. I don't want any trouble with horses on board. I wanted to add an intercooler and exhaust brake. The diesel shop fixed a few minor problems and the tranny tested ok. However, they suggested that before I do anything more to the engine, I should replace the tranny with a beefed up one from BD. They felt that by adding more power and the exhaust brake that I would be taking a big risk with the tranny on this trip. The truck has 74,000 miles on it pulling with no trouble so far. Would replacing the tranny first be the smart thing to do? Thanks in advance.
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Where is the added power coming from???
I think they meant that adding the exhaust brake is hard on the trans??
the intercooler will not strain the tranny any but the engine brake will because it slows the motor and the tranny is then slowing the truck down.
what tranny was 6000$ when i had the my 97 i spent $3150 and at the end of its life i was a little over 400hp to the ground.. snapped a few input shafts but thats another story not related to towing [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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For $6K you could get a BTS, intake, exhaust, diy intercooler and a SP diesel exhaust brake and still have a little left over, that is if you can do some of the work your self. If you decide to get a BTS and can get to Lead Hill the R\R is included in the price. My BTS cost me $4,300 turn key [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img] I would not put a exhaust brake on until you did something with the tranny, I pulled with mine for about 150k and never had a problem with my tranny and when Brian took it apart he said it looked great inside, then he showed me how he could tell that my tranny never got HOT. Good Luck
Frank
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I think they meant that adding the exhaust brake is hard on the trans??
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Besides the intercooler I was going to have them add a chip. But, you are right, they said the problem might come from use of the exhaust brake. The brakes on my truck are questionable under panic stops and long downhills. That was the reason for the exhaut brake. I recently saw a post about hydroboosted brakes. I will look into that first. You won't believe how many people cannot stand to be behind a horse trailer (going the speed limit or not). They pull in front and figure that you can stop like a car.
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Besides the hydro boost which won't make it stop faster just less petal effort get rear disks, sloted rotors for the front, Hawk pads and SS lines. You won't belive the difference.
Cary
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95 f250 4x4 xlt Excab Lb. white, BTS Trans, 4.10ls, Dana 60, ORU RS kit DR 4"front 5" reas springs!, Bilsteins, Centerline 18x9", 37" Toyo MT's,H2e, Tapercore IC,3" Billet intakes, Tymar 4" exhaust,intake and HX mod,Beans 2's, Stealth and Fuel system and DI studs, JS's IDM mod, TW 4 pos chip,TSM Rear Disks, 198k miles.
2004 EB 4x4 6.0 X born 05/18/04
white, LS,premier group, tow package, dvd. centerline 18x9" w/ 35" Toyo MT's, Edge 4.5" Lift, V's & custom B codes 37k miles 3rd turbo 6 5150 Specialy valved Bilsteins!
1976 EB Exploration daily driver
1971 EB Hard Core Crawler
2006 Yamaha FJR1300
2005 Suzuki King Quad
I think they meant that adding the exhaust brake is hard on the trans??
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Yes they do, the converter and they know it. Your all missing why they want to ram a tranny sale thru here When this member has no tranny or converter problem--yet. They aren't selling a real exhaust brake. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]
It's What they are selling as an exhaust brake. A radio shack box of $20 resistors. It's just using your torque converter lockup. Just a TCC lockup applied at slower speeds and longer, and another variant type E brake with an EBPV type flapper added in. They are afraid it will burn the used converter because it's happened to them before. And when it does, the tranny can be taken with it. Run from that sale.
Turn your trailer brakes to max. They are cheaper to replace than the trucks. You can convert your Ford EBPV to an exhaust brake. Does the same thing. Flapper closes reducing eng power because it can't breathe as well.
They should make real stand alone products for something as important as exhaust brakes. Not a little radio shack box of $20 resistors sold for $300-$600 that strains your trucks parts. Remember you paid for them parts with the truck and they do their own real work.
Someone help him and suggest a real stand alone exhaust brake for him please...ATS sells the same junk and that rebuild with it. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]
I didn't know Dale Tymar was now in the transmission/converter business. So many have taken his idea for the intake...[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/depressed.gif[/img] Welcome to the other end of the truck and the POWERTRAIN industry Dale.
Think about it...do horse trailer dealers try to sell a transmission with the trailer? Some out there will do anything to sell something it seems [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/depressed.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/depressed.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/depressed.gif[/img]. The worst part of this is the owner never knows the real cause of the tranny failure, and thinks he should of listened to THEM. Modern Snake oil comes in Corporate size today.
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