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Old 07-07-2008, 06:12 PM   #1 (permalink)
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RKS and lift, problems with drivability/

I have the RSK 5' and superduty springs on my truck and it drives like crap. Its hard to keep going striaght down the road. Its almost like the front or rear axle is shifting a tiny bit because the steering wheel never really has a center it changes depending on the next bump you hit. Anyone ever have problems like this. Exerything and I mean everything has been rebuilt or replaced, steering box, tierods, front and rear bearings, hubs, steering column. The only thing i can think of is a dual steering stabilizer, i only have a single on it now. the alignment has been looked at and changed slightly 4 different times. I wonder if the front hanger bracket is flexing? Any advice?

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Old 07-07-2008, 08:26 PM   #2 (permalink)
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If everything is tight it has to be either a tight ball joint, steering box adjustment, or the caster is off.

Depending on the kit and how it was installed, it can tilt the axle forward or backward from the stock position and change the caster. Some shops dont try to correct caster on leaf spring 4x4's, which is done with a tapered wedge between the spring and axle.

Who did you ball joints? Do they move smoothly? There are specs on that and the steering box adjustment.

There is no voodo in it, many have done it. It has to be simple.

Is the track bar on there and tight?
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It sounds like you were having the same problem I was. Have someone sit in your truck and crank the steering wheel while it's running. Turn it all the way to the left and then all the way to the right, does your tie rod(the bar that goes from knuckle to knuckle) rotate up and down while it's being turned? What I mean is, does the drag link push it down and pull it back up while you are turning the wheels?

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I have the RSK 5' and superduty springs on my truck and it drives like crap. Its hard to keep going striaght down the road. Its almost like the front or rear axle is shifting a tiny bit because the steering wheel never really has a center it changes depending on the next bump you hit. Anyone ever have problems like this. Exerything and I mean everything has been rebuilt or replaced, steering box, tierods, front and rear bearings, hubs, steering column. The only thing i can think of is a dual steering stabilizer, i only have a single on it now. the alignment has been looked at and changed slightly 4 different times. I wonder if the front hanger bracket is flexing? Any advice?

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I had a wobble after I did my install and double checked everything. The only thing that cured my problem was a inline dual steering stabilizer, I think it was made by Superlift. Alot of guys said I had a problem some where else, but I couldnt find it and I needed a new stabilizer anyway. Good luck

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Well i was thinking of putting a dual stabilizer on it anyway so that might help. it does have a little bump steer but thats not the main problem. i have had 3 different steering boxes and this last one is an AGR. I had AGR on the phone walking me through re-adjusting the box to make sure that wasnt the problem. Its not. I did the alignment myself and have re-checked and made small adjustments 4 times, not really any changes and everything is dead nuts on spec. my caster is in the 4 degree range with .04 cross caster and camber is right at .01 and i have been playing with the toe in to see if it helps but no luck. What has me interested is yall mentioned the drag link and tierods rotating up and down when the steering wheel is moved a little left and right, yes it does do that, a lot. I am also interested in the tight ball joint theory, how is that fixed or tested?

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Brandan, your tie rod rotating up and down is Not a good thing, it's Not suppose to do that. I had the Exact same problem with mine and I just fixed it. Every time your tie rod rotates up and down you feel it through the steering wheel and it will make your wheel off center and require extra steering input every time it shifts when you go around a turn at speed. I put a 3"RSK on mine and taller springs for a total of about 4 inches of lift. I also used a 4 inch drop pitman arm, it still didn't help. I finally decided the heck with it and called OFF ROAD DESIGN here in Colorado. They make a high steer kit which bolts to the top of your steering knuckle and your drag link goes to it instead of down to the tie rod. I just installed mine last week and it is GREAT, no more sketchy steering. The drag link is now parallel with the ground, which in theory is the best angle for it to be. It can't pull up or push down on the tie rod anymore, it has to travel in a straight plane left and right. They use 1.25" (chrome moly I think) tubing with .25" wall thickness and huge tie rod ends that you can get at any local auto parts store. Install took all of about 45 minutes. It's very beefy stuff and makes your original steering linkage look like it came off a Honda. You have the option of retaining the factory tie rod in it's stock location (which is what I did) or going with a complete Crossover steering which also moves the tie rod up high also. I plan on doing this down the road some day but wanted to save money for now

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Hey Brandon,

Just read through the various posts here and just wondering if the steering wheel is re-centering after a corner? Are the axle u-joints in good shape? When it was time for my axle u-joints to be replaced, old truck kinda felt similar (at least to me) as what you are explaining. As my u-joints where old and partially seized truck would not re-center after driving around a corner (if you released the grip on the steering wheel) and it felt like it was steering itself, inthat I had to constantly make minor adjustments when driving....hope that makes sense.....anyways new u-joints and voila....

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I have a question for you and dont take it the wrong way. Have you ever owned a lifted truck before? Ive owned several and they are typically all over the place, with the new larger lifted tires your truck will bounce from side to side because of the overall size of the tires.

In 04 I bought a new Dmax and lifted it and it was the only truck that didnt do it. My ford and my old dodge all hop around on the road.

just a though....
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I have to say BS to "lifted truck just do that" Both of mine run straight and true and often times I leave cars behind in the twisties. No side to side bounce or other BS.
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Same here, after sorting out the steering issue the truck drives better and rides better than it did stock.

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I have the RSK 5' and superduty springs on my truck and it drives like crap. Its hard to keep going striaght down the road. Its almost like the front or rear axle is shifting a tiny bit because the steering wheel never really has a center it changes depending on the next bump you hit. Anyone ever have problems like this. Exerything and I mean everything has been rebuilt or replaced, steering box, tierods, front and rear bearings, hubs, steering column. The only thing i can think of is a dual steering stabilizer, i only have a single on it now. the alignment has been looked at and changed slightly 4 different times. I wonder if the front hanger bracket is flexing? Any advice?

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Brandan,

I have had the SAME problem. I have the 5" RSK also with SD Springs.... I thought it might be my caster or angles on the trackbar/draglink....all is within specs.....

Time for a Crossover for me!
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well i will try to tinker with it this weekend and let yall know what i find.

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You guys are lucky you have kingpins. There are no options for me. But I didnt have to pay for my axle so I guess that where I was lucky
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You guys are lucky you have kingpins. There are no options for me. But I didnt have to pay for my axle so I guess that where I was lucky
THere is options for the BallJoint Dana 60's Just more costly
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Did you install a drop Pitman arm? Crossover steering is the best fix. You did install a adj track bar correct? I would get 5-6* of castor myself.

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