talk to MadVan he said he ran one made for the IH motor.
Brainsshop thanks for the info. Here we don't have 10 miles of beach to drive but we do have bigg hills and its all pretty slow moving since my teeth rattle out going fast. The sand has been where I saw my highest trans temps so far. I'll no for sure next summer!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Would like to hear about that G_M. I wanted one of the US Gear units, but didn't get a chance. </div></div> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> talk to MadVan he said he ran one made for the IH motor</div></div>
Brianshop, the US Gear clutch was a Horton. The controls were their own, and the downfall. I will use either horton or a conrol box like you have on your fans. It is a done deal. I have installed one on a DT466 with great results. The only hard part is there needs to be an AC freon head pressure switch to turn on Fan when AC pressure gets too high. I have talked to Madvan, he is very knowledgable but doesn't like to shoot off his mouth too much. I'm hoping to use a lightweight plastic fan blade too. I posted some stuff on this including a link to the Horton site and specs on the clutch some time back.
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I am currently running 2 16" fans, funny thing was they were runnign backwards for teh first year, blowing forward, but I never noticed. Last summer I was doing some re-wiring adn discovered this, I now have them wiring to both on with a thermostat, one on with the AC, one or both on with a manual SW in the cab. The trans cooler is zap strapped to teh IC so it gets some extra heat. Towing up Steve's pass in WA with 4 people, loaded bed and a older ( read heavy ***** ) 5th, I got slowed by road traffic and crawled up the top of the pass runnign pretty hot, 210 trans, engine about A of normal adn teh EGT about 1150. Coming back teh same way I hit the bottom at 90mph, fans on full 2400rpm in OD and pulled the entire pass at that speed, temps were good EGT at 1200, trans at 190-195, adn engine jsut about at the O. I needed the extra speed to drive teh air thru the rad adn IC.
Teh only thing I would change now is a summer/winter SW under teh hood cause the fan comes on with MIX and DEFROST as well as AC, and then shroud the entire thing, trans cooler and IC as well, I feel that I am not gettign good enough air control, all of this is without a shroud. And thsi was the middle of summer too about 100*.
If I were to do thsi again, I would use a 16" staggered low to the drivers side adn teh largest one that would fit in teh upper pass side, then shroud both, and use a 10" on the front pushing thru the trans cooler.
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One thought I had on my way home yesterday was when I do my fans (if I do them) I want to have them kick in when in reverse. mainly needed for backing trailers but that is something I have not heard anybody do.
I am just looking for real experience and not speculation. </div></div>
Tim
The fans on condition while in reverse will not help with the trans temp. Most overheat a trans while using reverse due to the trans itself. Most do not realise that when the trans is in reverse it cuts off the flow of fluid to the cooler.
Well that is stupid!! what kind of moron makes a tranny that is put in trucks that haul and back trailers with no tranny cooling in reverse!! That gets the stupid award for the century!! Any fix to it or just keep your eye on the gauge when you backing trailers and if it heats up put in nuetral and flick the fans on?
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"From June, 2004 until February, 2007 I was a Transmission Cooling Engineer at Ford. There's my experience, and why I said what I did. "
I would not question your experience at all. I've been looking at this idea for some time. From the numbers I've seen
in the past there are some electric fan setups that are very close to the ratings of our stock fan. The advantage is the
full flow of the electric fans are available even while standing still. It's my understanding that the mechanical fan does rely
somewhat on the engine rpms. In most situations it would seem that the electrical fans have the advantage. Only in extreme higher rpm situations would the mechanical fans overcome that. I could be totally wrong which is why I'm posting this. The max weight I tow is 12.5K which is well within my trucks capability. I've never come close to working the engine hard or even having the temp gauge move much. The e-fan setup is very appealing to me at this time.
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FS-2500 Bypass filter installed.
Velvet rides installed. Joe Servo IDM mod installed. Rear air lift springs.
"Tim
The fans on condition while in reverse will not help with the trans temp. Most overheat a trans while using reverse due to the trans itself. Most do not realise that when the trans is in reverse it cuts off the flow of fluid to the cooler."
Someone posted on the board a while back about having
a small fan on their trans cooler. That would seem to clear
this concern up.
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1997 F250 HD PSD 4x4 OR Auto 3.55LS CC SRW SWB 265x75x16 Michelin LTX DP 211K mi.; Ford AIC; Fuel milege; 20.3 mpg @ 70 mph. 12.5 mpg pulling my boat,12.5K, along two lane rural roads. A number of mods ordered from DaleI. Nice round replacement DP. FS2500 by-pass oil filter installed. Fumoto drain valve. Tymar Intake installed! HX mod from Tymar installed. TFI fillneck kits installed. Auto-Rx cleaner in engine & transmission done. Switched from Rotella dino to Rotella synthetic. Amsoil 5W-30 Series 3000 installed!
FS-2500 Bypass filter installed.
Velvet rides installed. Joe Servo IDM mod installed. Rear air lift springs.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sparkydm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Someone posted on the board a while back about having a small fan on their trans cooler. That would seem to clear this concern up.
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The only problem I have with that is space! The Intercooler takes up alot of that room. But if I can find room that is an option if needed.
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"The only problem I have with that is space! The Intercooler takes up alot of that room. But if I can find room that is an option if needed. "
With the much larger aftermarket trans coolers I don't
think it would be a problem. It was just a solution another
board member came up with. I don't recall if he had an
intercooler on his truck though. I know that I don't.
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FS-2500 Bypass filter installed.
Velvet rides installed. Joe Servo IDM mod installed. Rear air lift springs.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MADVAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Stupid award is one of many.
No fix for this. It diverts the line pressure for the reverse gear.</div></div>
That's just not true. The design is NOT to divert flow from the coolers in reverse.
Line pressure in reverse is higher, and if the pump can't keep up with the flow demands the first thing that is cut is torque covnerter feed. That will stop the flow to the coolers. This will not happen in normal operation, but it can happen if things happen to cut pump flow. VERY high temps can cause enough leakage in the pump that it would happen, and so would a worn out pump. In normal operation this doesn't happen and there IS flow to the coolers in reverse.
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