Hey guys, I was considering putting a turbo in my 7.3 IDI but I have decided not to.
I am now thinking of putting either a 7.3l PSD (can be had for around $1000) or a 5.9l 12v cummins (can be had for about $1500 w/tranny) in the truck.
I would not do this to the truck if it were in bad condition but this truck is NICE! It's a '92, has less than 100k on it and we just had the "common ford rust" repaired and it is nice. SO, seeing that we are not getting rid of it any time soon and kinda need alittle more power anyway, we are considering putting a different engine in it.
My questions:
1) Should I put a PSD or Cummins in it? (and wich one would be more powerful)
2) Will the cummins bolt up to the ford tranny or is there a conversion kit? (or should I just use the dodge tranny?)
3) Will the PSD bolt up to the older ford tranny? (I assume so)
4) What kind of mods will I have to do to the truck to put a cummins in it?
5) What kind of mods will I have have to do do put a PSD in it?
I know I'm asking alot, all info is appreciated, thanks,
I personally would go with the 12v. Simple design and pretty much bomb proof. As far as bolting up to the tranny, you'll need an adapter plate. You can find them at DESTROKED: Cummins Conversions or ford-cummins.com. They also sell the motor mounts so it will basically be a direct bolt in. From there, it's pretty much all of the small odds and ends that have to be tied up. Good luck!
go cummins theres plenty of kits
the psd wont bolt to youre tranny but you can buy a kit so the cummins will or if you have a manual just use a manual dodge tranny the nv4500 is killer and you cant kill it
also the cummins builds the biggest power
google ford cumins swap
psd is comp controled and all that
you can get an older 12v cummins non comp controled and bolt it right in no programing just fab up some mounts
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Might sound like a dumb question but what is the difference between a 24v and a 12v bvesides the fact that one has 12v and the other 24v?
The 24v marked the end of the all mechanical Cummins motors. Many people go for the 12v when doing a swap due to the fact they're so simple (all mechanical, no electronics) and can make BIG power cheaply.
The 24v marked the end of the all mechanical Cummins motors. Many people go for the 12v when doing a swap due to the fact they're so simple (all mechanical, no electronics) and can make BIG power cheaply.
I assumed that was it, thanks for affirming that!
And, if you would expand upon how it makes big power cheaply I woulld highly appreciate it!
Does it have something to do with fuel plates or the like???
I'm gonna be doing the same to my 94 73 turbo IDI.I bought the ford about 2 months ago got it loaded down with all my tools welder etc. I have a 12 valve Cummins sitting in the garage. I bought it for my 95 ram if the motor ever dies (got the motor really cheap) but i dont think it will. Its my fishin and go to sunday meetin truck.
As far as power goes from the cummins to the idi.... its a different world. With a fuel plate,100hp injectors, turbo, cold air intake and 5"exhaust i'm north of 400 hp on my cummins. even at freeway speeds it will pin ya back in the seat when ya romp it.
When ya swap, even if you use the dodge trans yer gonna need a better clutch if ya mod it at all. gauges are a must also, the cummins wont even give ya a sign it is working to hard till ya melt a piston and things start snapping.
I do like the ford chassis i have but the motor ......well lets just say i am not very impressed.
The 24 valve cummins is computer controlled and the vp 44 injection pump is not very trust worthy and very expensive.
94-98 p-pump cummins is the motor that everyone seems to want. injection pumps are about indestructible. 94 and 95 p-pumps had some issues with the plungers sticking but it's not really all that common.
All the 12 valves need the killer dowl pin tabbed. seems to be the only real flaw with em but its only a couple hour fix. parts cost about 80 bucks....ya loose the dowl pin it could cost ya the motor.
I'm gonna be doing the same to my 94 73 turbo IDI.I bought the ford about 2 months ago got it loaded down with all my tools welder etc. I have a 12 valve Cummins sitting in the garage. I bought it for my 95 ram if the motor ever dies (got the motor really cheap) but i dont think it will. Its my fishin and go to sunday meetin truck.
As far as power goes from the cummins to the idi.... its a different world. With a fuel plate,100hp injectors, turbo, cold air intake and 5"exhaust i'm north of 400 hp on my cummins. even at freeway speeds it will pin ya back in the seat when ya romp it.
When ya swap, even if you use the dodge trans yer gonna need a better clutch if ya mod it at all. gauges are a must also, the cummins wont even give ya a sign it is working to hard till ya melt a piston and things start snapping.
I do like the ford chassis i have but the motor ......well lets just say i am not very impressed.
The 24 valve cummins is computer controlled and the vp 44 injection pump is not very trust worthy and very expensive.
94-98 p-pump cummins is the motor that everyone seems to want. injection pumps are about indestructible. 94 and 95 p-pumps had some issues with the plungers sticking but it's not really all that common.
All the 12 valves need the killer dowl pin tabbed. seems to be the only real flaw with em but its only a couple hour fix. parts cost about 80 bucks....ya loose the dowl pin it could cost ya the motor.
you may have to move the engineinto the firewall it depends on the tranny get a tape measure find a dodge forum (to get specs on the motors and trans) and see how itll fit
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88 F-250 body,550 rear frame setup, 7.3 idi, back up camera, class 5 bumper hitch welded to frame and gusseted, front mount hitch and off road lights,93 front clip, headache rack, 37" humvee tires, ac power converter,factory buckets from quadcab, power windows and locks,cobra 29 cb w/ 102" whip, high lift jack behind seat, toolbox for the junk, visor, running lights, huge front bumper, oba,
in progress western style mirrors, holset turbo, airhorns, and some other goodies
i wouldnt touch a psd at all. go with the cummins. it wont let you down. i am very impressed with what they can do. if i had the cash id keep old smokey for my every day driver and get a f350 or larger dump truck and plop a cummins in it for a real work truck!
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