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Old 03-11-2005, 09:25 AM   #1 (permalink)
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colant in crankcase

hrers the low down, lets see if i can tap the infinate wisdom of the idi basement for this one?

the coolant is dropping at a rate of 1.5-2 gal per hour of highway driving
it will sit and run for an hour at varring throttle speeds (mainly idle)and not loose any coolant
if i drive for a short distance and take off the rad. cap and look, there is lots of white bubbles -a little foamy on the top
no excessive press in the coolant system but some

could the rad be restricted letting the wp "suck" in air and blowing coolant past the gasket?? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]

im going on a long trip soon and want to get this fixed first!!

thanx in advance, this is giving me a headache [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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Re: colant in crankcase

Man I hate to say it, but it sure sounds like caviation. Some tests to do.

On each cylinder, position the piston at TDC, and presurize the cylinder with compressed air through a glow plug hole adapter. You'll need to hold the crank still somehow for this. Check the rad. If no bubbles, repeat the test with the piston at BDC. If no bubbles, go to the next cylinder and repeat. If you find bubbles at TDC, then it may be a cracked head or bad head gasket. If bubbles at BDC, start pricing a short block. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]
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Re: colant in crankcase

i hope not - it all looked ok when i had it apart

any other ideas, there is no indacation of coolant in the cyls whatsoever
could it be the 4 wp bolts?
i think the front timing cover may have incured a few scratches when cleaning it [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

not to mention i dont have many diagnostic tools or air compressor [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]

or much time
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Re: colant in crankcase

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Re: colant in crankcase

This comment in your signature bothers me.....

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Was it really head gasket failure, did you see the failure point and did it jump out at you visually, or was this just a guess by some shade tree mechanics.
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Re: colant in crankcase

Can you go through what your symptoms were before and what all you did to it, you can try pulling the water pump and checking it out, did you put sealant on the threads, but i would recommend finding somebody that can do the test Mel stated, did anybody do anything to your heads while they were off?
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Re: colant in crankcase

the coolant passages were shriveled and the guy at napas machene shop said he could see it , w\o me saying any thing
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Re: colant in crankcase

magna fluxed and surfaced
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Re: colant in crankcase

In my opinion ya got to get it up to temp let it cool a little then remove the G plugs and turn the engine over with the fuel pump wire disconected and see if there is any coolant comeing out the gp holes.
As Mel stated it sounds like a cavitation problem!The oil cooler is a vague possablity!
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Re: colant in crankcase

the only time there is any white smoke is when it is cold outside

the water in crank case evaporates and steam burns trough the cdr , white smoke

i realy doubt its the big "c" as it will sit for two days and not loose any coolant

the only time there is coolant loss is when driving , it sat at idle for 30-40 min. and did not loose a drop, went for a 10 min drive and it lost a half gallon

this is very weird, i know, but thanx for all the help

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Re: colant in crankcase

Definitely don't drive it anymore. If your oil turns to chocolate milk, you'll be replacing everything.

Do the test Mel suggested. At idle the cylinders might not have enough heat/stress to open up a pinhole, but it might while driving.
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Re: colant in crankcase

ok, where can i get a compression tester
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Re: colant in crankcase

Check out this tester.... Tools

Magnafluxed and SURFACED [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif[/img]...how much did they remove. What was their overal thickness of the heads after surfacing.

I do have info from AERA (American Engine Rebuilders Association) which states the IH/Nav minimum head thickness after dressing/milling should be no less than 4.7950".
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Re: colant in crankcase

0.007 on one and 002-003 on the other
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