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Old 03-04-2005, 10:54 AM   #1 (permalink)
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does zf5/1356 have pto

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]does 94 f250 in sig have pto on trans /transfer ??
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Re: does zf5/1356 have pto

PTO I believe was only on F350 with 1356......
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Re: does zf5/1356 have pto

My ZF on my '89 F-250 has 2 PTO "ports".
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Re: does zf5/1356 have pto

Mine has two ports too. To find out if yours can take a PTO, look on the sides of your tranny (not transfer case) and see if there is one (or two) 4 in. by 6 in. (approx.) plates bolted to it with about 8 bolts. These plates are in the place that the PTO/s would connect to. You'll probably have to order a PTO for it if it doesn't have one yet.
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Re: does zf5/1356 have pto

What could you attach to the PTO ports? compressor? Generator?
Or am I way off?

hydraulics?

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Re: does zf5/1356 have pto

Well,in my experience, you can hook about anything you want up to it. I know a few places that use this chassis for a fire truck have connected a small fire pump to these ports. What you need to look into is how much force can be run through these ports versus how much force is needed to run the accessory. PTO's typically won't take the full the force that is produced by the motor. Also, you need to make sure the PTO that bolts on is the right gear ratio to run whatever accessory you are looking at. The name I typically see on fire apparatus is Chelsea. They've been around a long time, and could help you get your hands on a PTO as well as make sure the application is correct.
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Re: does zf5/1356 have pto

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smokin.gif[/img]i will check at lunch today for the ports ,iwant to try and run air compreessor off of pto,is that possible?
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Re: does zf5/1356 have pto

What is involved in adding a PTO on a truck without one? (in terms of time and money)

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Re: does zf5/1356 have pto

Well, a few comments here. A used PTO must be matched to that particular transmission...the PTO housings and bolt pattern are usually standard, but it's the gear pitch/tooth count that matters. New PTO's are not cheap...about $800.00 CDN for a basic model. The PTO is simply a means of using engine rotation (through the tranny) to power an accessory. Most common accessory is a hydraulic or water pump. Keep in mind that the PTO is only one component...if you are trying to set up a dump box for example, you'll also need a pump, hydraulic hoses, a tank, a valve controller (for up/down), cylinder(s), controls for the PTO engagement itself and for the valves, and maybe even a scissor lift [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img]

It can be intimidating at first, but the systems are in fact pretty simple...you just need to do your homework, determine what your real NEEDS are, and price stuff out FIRST. Gallons per minute capacity (GPM), flow pressures, reserve tank size etc are important.

Guess what I'm saying is that you can certainly make something up. New is going to cost $$$, used not so much, but harder to find right components. It's too bad you don't have Princess Auto close by. They are outstanding for hydraulic components at great prices.

Some alternatives: underhood pump or compressor. I have seen several trucks that utilize an underhood compressor (or hydraulic pump). Typically it is mounted where the AC compressor would be, and are electrically controlled centrifical clutch units driven off of an accessory belt.

Electric powered pumps can work for occassional use application, but they aren't much good for anything other than running a snow plow or dump lift cylinder. Very low GPM rating typically.

And a few trucks I've seen mounted a small lawnmower engine underneath the truck powering a compressor. And some people just use gas station compressors [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img].

Anyhoo...hope I have shed some light. Anything is doable...just wanted to make sure you do your homework before jumping into this.
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Re: does zf5/1356 have pto

Do not forget that a lot of really heavy duty winches are run off the PTO.
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