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Old 02-07-2006, 09:59 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Dual mass repair......???

Hello them that knows!

I found a used dual mass flywheel,
how do you check it for wear?
how much is to much wear?
it definatley has less then mine did
and no broken springs.
Do you have to have a new preasure plate.
Who has the best price for friction disc or clutch kit.
Do you replace the crank seal well you're in there?
its not leaking and it costs alot of money.
Thanks again.
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Re: Dual mass repair......???

make sure all the springs are tight, check about having the flywheel surfaced. I bought a new cluth kit(pressure plate, clutch disk and throw out bearing) of ebay for 100.00. I also bought a used DMF off ebay for a little more than 100.00, everything works great for not much money.
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Check the springs to see if there is any flat spots on them. You should be able to turn the springs with your fingers to check them. Lay the flywheel down on the a flat surface and try to turn the inside part with your hands, it usually will move some but the more it moves the more wear it has. Check the flat part of the flywheel where the clutch disc sits. Check to see if there are spots that have gotten hot and also make sure it is very flat or your disk will slip. I don't know if you can resurface it or not. It can be taken apart and I've been told not to resurface them but like anything someone may have done it and it works?

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I would do the Lucky Mod and be done with it. All DMF's fail eventually.
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I would do the Lucky Mod and be done with it. All DMF's fail eventually.

[/ QUOTE ] whats the lucky mod?
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Just FYI...I have the LuK single mass flywheel in mine and have had it for sometime now. I jumped in a friends 95 PSD to move it the other day. He has the stock Dual Mass on there still...I about broke my leg truck to get that cluth pedal down! (ok not really but you get the idea). I forgot how nice the single mass is on the left leg. Just thought I would throw that in there...food for thought...Good luck in whatever you choose to do! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smokin.gif[/img]

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I asked this question also and
this was sent to me by one of the good members
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NOW FOR THE FIX


Changing a Dual-Mass to a Single-Mass Flywheel


When taking out the flywheel be careful as this thing is heavy, around 65lbs

One thing if for any reason you have any concerns don't try this . This is at your own risk, Mel Agne has done this conversion and so far it has worked out great, I have not put this in my truck as of yet but have it ready as my flywheel is making noise and I have this ready when I do change the clutch out I will change this out also. I am not afraid of using this fix, I feel really safe doing this to my truck.

I strongly suggest you drill out the bolt holes on a GOOD drill press to make sure the holes are straight. It would not be a bad idea to check the balance after putting it back together before installing it.

There is a guy on E-Bay that has made a DMF hub that dose the very same thing I have done and he wants $200 plus shipping for the hub, that is where I got my idea and tore a flywheel apart and discovered this trick This fix will cost you whatever the price of the 6 grade 8 X 2" fine threaded bolts & lock nuts and about an hour of your time drilling out the holes and bolting it all back together once you have the flywheel out.

After removing the flywheel take it all apart and I do mean all apart, remove everything, springs, friction plates and take the hub that bolts to the crank off, 2 small countersunk screws and remove everything in there also, there are some friction plates in it also.

The part that the pressure plate bolts to, the clutch plate, has 6 holes in the center that also bolts to the flywheel hub, this hub has 6 blind threaded holes that needs to be drilled all the way through I drilled them out to 3/8 even though they were threaded, I thought 3/8 X 2" fine threaded grade 8 bolts would be the right size and would match the holes in the ring gear plate better. , becareful when removing the hub plate that has the blind threaded holes as it is mounted to a center that is a roller bearing and you might pull the bearing apart. If indeed you do pull the bearing apart you will need to put the ball bearings back in as to line up everthing. Don't worry about the bearing as it will serve no purpose after you bolt the whole thing together.

If you notice on the plate that has the ring gear there are 9 holes drilled through it. 6 of the holes are smaller and will almost line up with the 6 in the hub you just drilled, you now have to drill the holes in the ring gear plate to match the ones in the hub you just drilled. I did this by bolting the 2 part hub back together on the ring gear plate so the clutch plate would line up true and then put 3 smaller diameter bolts, 5/16" bolts through every other hole I drilled out in the hub and through the smaller holes in the ring gear plate to line every thing up. I ran a 3/8 drill down to drill out 3 of the holes in the ring gear plate, I then put the 3/8 bolts in the 3 holes I just drilled out and tightened them then drilled out the other 3 holes. I put all grade 8 bolts in and used lock nuts, but do not use the ones with plastic in them but all metal locknuts, tourque the nuts to 40 lbs.

The 9 bolts that bolt the flywheel to the crankshaft also goes through the ring gear plate and the clutch plate, the hub now bolts to the ring gear plate so everything is bolted together to make it a single mass.
No more noise and you can still use you stock clutch setup. Hope this is of some value to you. Let me know if you use this and how you like it.
If you have any questions please fell free to ask.

Info re clutch too...........

Your decision on which flywheel should be made with great care..About a year ago I replaced my dmf with the LUK clutch and flywheel from Southbend Clutch In Indiana. With the new clutch they sent, was some info papers that I found very informative.."1. The DMF has a free travel section that reduces gear rattle in neutral. 2.The DMF has a series of damper springs on the backside of the flywheel that isolate damaging engine torsionals from the transmission and drive train. The series dampened clutch used with solid flywheels also has design elements that protect the transmission from damaging engine torsionals and reduce gear rattle. Series dampened clutch dics do NOT have a slip joint for spike torque protection. These dics are designed to fail and will fail if torque spikes exceed the rated torque capacity of the vehicle." Examples of conditions where vehicle torque ratings can be exceeded are;1. towing loads heavier than the rated vehicle load capacity. 2. High speed downshifts. 3.Coasting down hill with the transmission in too low of a gear. 4. Increasing the boost pressure on turbo applications."----Rob

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