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Old 01-27-2013, 10:03 PM   #1 (permalink)
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IP for cold weather?

Are there IPs out there that are better for cold weather. I had a shop tell me the pumps they use are designed for the cold and winter blend fuel that we have up here in ak. Makes sense or just a way to get my money?
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there are "thin fuel" parts available- very expensive. Designed more for use in the Arctic.
Consists of transfer pump liner and blades and governor thrust washer built with tougher materials.
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how expensive is very expensive? that sounds like a good thing to do anyway.
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I'll bet someone in that shop exchanges his summer air for winter air in his tires.
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There are the Arctic pumps, these are designed to run straight Kerosene. Using a additive will help the pump live even with no 1 diesel.
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The military uses pumps with hardened parts for wear resistance since JP8 (jet fuel) is a very dry fuel and doesn't lubricate very well.
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so it's possible the shop up here uses ips with more durable parts but his price is about $700 for the pump and $500 to install and time. i've seen pumps on ebay for $350. i think i can wrestle through replacing the pump but timing one sounds over my head. on a side note, do the 7.3 and 6.9 use the same pump?
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$500 to install and time? That's nuts. Installation takes maybe an hour if you're halfway handy with tools. Timing is a little more, but for under $500 you can buy your own timing light & adapter.
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don't buy a random eBay pump. get one from someone reputable, like one of the site sponsors, midwest, oregon...
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From what I recall a pump built for kerosene uses different internal parts for the lack of lubrication the fuel provides. Nozzles also have a different anti-drip to prevent it from sticking when the engine is under full load for extended periods of time. To be perfectly honest I wouldn't waste my money purchasing it unless your going to only burn kerosene.

I know it can get cold up in Alaska but my truck started just fine after the block heater had been on for three hours in -40C and the only thing I do is add CRC fuel conditioner to replace the lubricity that the ULS diesel doesn't have.
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thanks guys, i'll look around on one of the site sponsors. i would rather do it myself so i'll spend some time researching replacing and timing the ip. anything special to know about timing lights and adapters?
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Arctic fuel parts for DB2 7.3 applications
Gov thrust washer-$22.75
Driveshaft-$212.19
Transfer pump liner-$72.81
Transfer pump blades-$22.56 ea ($90.24)
Prices are in Cdn dollars and are in addition to costs to rebuild the pump.
As NH2112 said they are pretty much only used in the military to run on JP8.
BTW- at our shop rate to re & re the IP, set the timing, fast idle, and TPS if equipped is under $200.
To northernford- hiring a shop to set the timing after you install the pump should run under $50. To buy a good diesel timing meter could cost up towards a $1000
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Arctic fuel parts for DB2 7.3 applications
Gov thrust washer-$22.75
Driveshaft-$212.19
Transfer pump liner-$72.81
Transfer pump blades-$22.56 ea ($90.24)
Prices are in Cdn dollars and are in addition to costs to rebuild the pump.
As NH2112 said they are pretty much only used in the military to run on JP8.
BTW- at our shop rate to re & re the IP, set the timing, fast idle, and TPS if equipped is under $200.
To northernford- hiring a shop to set the timing after you install the pump should run under $50. To buy a good diesel timing meter could cost up towards a $1000
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