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Old 12-22-2009, 07:48 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Starter/Solenoid trouble?

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Have been noticing my 7.3 has been turning over slower than usual when I try to start it. Saw that the altenator belts were somewhat loose so I tightened them. Got the engine started and drove to the garage to have both batteries checked and load tested along with testing the charging system. Everything checked out fine, batteries good and altenator a little low but a producing a little more than 13 volts. The tech said that when he tried to start the truck it seemed a little slow to him but since the shop didn't work on diesels he wasn't sure so keep an eye on it.

The next morning I tried to start the truck and one click--- no start. Each time I turned the key just got a click. Recharged the batteries, tried again------same thing. Does this sound like a solenoid or a starter or maybe a loose connection?

I bought the truck used and the previous owner had installed a new H.D. diesel starter and solenoid and showed me the invoice. It now has less than 12k miles on it. Is it possible this has gone bad again? What should I check out and how?

Thanks for any help.
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Old 12-22-2009, 08:40 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Mine did pretty much the same thing and both the wires on the starter were loose.
Might as well check all your connections, both grounds from battery to engine, solenoid, before spending a bunch of money.
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Old 12-22-2009, 09:53 PM   #3 (permalink)
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ya loose connections first i had that issue a few times the diesels rattle the nuts loose pretty easily
next thing would be a new starter so lets hope its a bad connection
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Ya as Plywood mentioned check the ground cables!! sounds to me like ground issues that Iv'e had in the past! I always like to add an extra ground strap from negative terminal to engine block...to the stater bolts for example.
Poor grounding and starting problems is very common with older vw diesels!
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I just had to replace the starter on my truck. I started to take the battery cable loose and the nut just completely stripped out. The starter was only two years old, but it was also from Autozone. I replaced it with one from Napa. Starts like a new truck now.
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Old 12-23-2009, 01:33 AM   #6 (permalink)
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nu2this, what year is your truck? I put an adjustable regulator on my 91 and turned it up to 14.2 at the batteries and it makes a world of difference in starting and operation.. Low voltage will kill a starter faster than anything, should be no lower than 9 when cranking.IMO
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Old 12-23-2009, 06:38 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Thanks fellas,

Well, hopefully that's all it is, loose connection that is. I'll crawl under it tomorrow and take a look see. The truck does rattle a lot and perhaps has loosened everything up.

The truck is a 1988.
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Check the solenoid on the side of the passenger fenderwell. When you hold the key in the start position you should get battery voltage at BOTH big lug terminals. If your getting just a clicky start, try jumping these 2 lugs with a screwdriver and the truck should crank. If it cranks then the solinoid needs to be replaced.
As rule of thumb
batt voltage Key Off: 12.6v
batt voltage engine running: 14.6v
minimum cranking voltage: 9.6v

On cranking the fuel shut off needs atleast 9 volts to hold open the fuel valve or it won't start.
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I too have the click no start thing going on........ 4 year old starter. Went to get it replaced today..... low and behold they were going to put a snub nosed PSD starter in. I work/play with the guys at the shop so I had one hell of a time convincing them it was the wrong one. Bosch was the brand....... after much phoning to Bosch and the parts store.... we sorted it out. Bosch only handles rebuilt for our IDI trucks not new as I/we had hoped. 2 year warranty VS lifetime for new.

Hopefully it will be in tomorrow......AC Delco.... not a Mitsu as I had hoped. Hope we don't start all over again with the BS.
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Years ago I was able to just take my starter in to a shop and have them spiff it up, wasn't one of these trucks though.
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cdnsarguy what was the cost of the starter,i have replaced mine 3 times in two years.there is a shop here that rebuilds the starters for $150(thats $450 for 3 starters).where did you get the starters with a warranty and price.thanks
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Cdnsarguy! I have a "new" bosch starter with a lifetime warranty, got it from lordco. They gave me a choice of a rebuilt mitsu O.E.M or new for an extra $50
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Hi guys,

Had to take it to a shop. Got a new starter and solenoid. $350.00. Bummer!!

They said I had a bad solenoid and when I kept trying to start it, it fried the starter. Does that sound reasonable?
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Maybe if the solenoid wasn't giving the starter enough juice, seems a little fishy though.
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Hi guys,

Had to take it to a shop. Got a new starter and solenoid. $350.00. Bummer!!

They said I had a bad solenoid and when I kept trying to start it, it fried the starter. Does that sound reasonable?
Did you do as I described in post 8? You may have been able to save some $$.
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