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Old 10-31-2009, 02:03 PM   #76 (permalink)
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I finally found the link to your photobucket album

It has been a little crazy around here lately. Nice pics and keep posting as I am very interested in how it ends up. Vlamica has hinted at organizing a west coast IDI rally. I may approach the subject in the spring.
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Old 10-31-2009, 09:22 PM   #77 (permalink)
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I don't know how the stock compares to Bank's turbo, but it seems like you'd need to go larger than stock. Back to the comprssion issue... I'm not sure if compression is limiting boost on the IDI or the turbo is limiting boost. I think 12lbs. is about all I ever got out of the Bank's turbo
well one turbo is a 100mm holset im just thinking about the other one would stock work or should i go smaller? itd be a compound setup maybe a trip to the ford dealer to find out what the new psd runs is in order
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Old 10-31-2009, 09:24 PM   #78 (permalink)
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I finally found the link to your photobucket album

It has been a little crazy around here lately. Nice pics and keep posting as I am very interested in how it ends up. Vlamica has hinted at organizing a west coast IDI rally. I may approach the subject in the spring.
wow that link has been up a while
ya keep the input coming i need it to keep me working on this and the rest of life out of it

ya im trying to start a pa rally here me and strokersmoker7.3 are working on it hes local to me like 10 min away
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i plan to add propane kit, stake body bed, gn hitch,western style mirrors, holset turbo 100mm intake, and a lot more
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and if that dont work overkill it
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I sure wouldn't go smaller than stock on the second turbo or you'll never get the 25lbs of boost.

My company truck is an '08 and I've seen the boost get up to 35lbs. Might be a good idea to check that setup.
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i know the boost gets high with a compound setup but i can try and just see what i get out of it

and if it breaks ill fix it
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Back to the comprssion issue... I'm not sure if compression is limiting boost on the IDI or the turbo is limiting boost. I think 12lbs. is about all I ever got out of the Bank's turbo
It's both the turbo and compression. Banks and ATS and Hypermax all have their turbo kits for these things set to run right around 12 psi. When you turbo an NA motor, you esentially double compression. So you take these motors the are making 21:1 compression the turbo them, your past 40:1. There for if you can lower the compression enough you can safely run 20+ psi. Just a a comparison, a 7.3 PSD is somewhere around 17:1 compression I believe. That's why stock those turbos put out around 20 PSI. If this is wrong, sombody correct me
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It's both the turbo and compression. Banks and ATS and Hypermax all have their turbo kits for these things set to run right around 12 psi. When you turbo an NA motor, you esentially double compression. So you take these motors the are making 21:1 compression the turbo them, your past 40:1. There for if you can lower the compression enough you can safely run 20+ psi. Just a a comparison, a 7.3 PSD is somewhere around 17:1 compression I believe. That's why stock those turbos put out around 20 PSI. If this is wrong, sombody correct me
I'm new to diesels but fairly versed in terms of boost, you are close to correct. In order to double an engines effective compression ratio you need add one atmosphere of boost (14.7 psi or 1 bar). So a 21:1 motor on 12 PSI would be about 38:1 effective compression while the 17:1 motor at 20 PSI is about 40:1 effective. A higher compression motor will be more driveable as it has more off boost power than a lower compression motor. However a lower compression motor can make more overall power due to larger cylinder volume. Cylinder volume and displacement are not one in the same, displacement is a measure of the swept volume, the volume in which the piston travels while cylinder volume is the swept area plus the compression or fixed area which is the combustion chamber. Simply put compression ratio is simplty a function of swept area volume versus combustion chamber volume. Since a lower compression engine has more total cylinder volume it it possible to pack more air/fuel in under a boost condition than a higher compression engine under the same boost. This is one reason among several that boosted engines tend to run lower static compression than their NA counterparts. Then there's dynamic compression but that's a whole nother discertation LOL
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I'm new to diesels but fairly versed in terms of boost, you are close to correct. In order to double an engines effective compression ratio you need add one atmosphere of boost (14.7 psi or 1 bar). So a 21:1 motor on 12 PSI would be about 38:1 effective compression while the 17:1 motor at 20 PSI is about 40:1 effective. A higher compression motor will be more driveable as it has more off boost power than a lower compression motor. However a lower compression motor can make more overall power due to larger cylinder volume. Cylinder volume and displacement are not one in the same, displacement is a measure of the swept volume, the volume in which the piston travels while cylinder volume is the swept area plus the compression or fixed area which is the combustion chamber. Simply put compression ratio is simplty a function of swept area volume versus combustion chamber volume. Since a lower compression engine has more total cylinder volume it it possible to pack more air/fuel in under a boost condition than a higher compression engine under the same boost. This is one reason among several that boosted engines tend to run lower static compression than their NA counterparts. Then there's dynamic compression but that's a whole nother discertation LOL
Thanks for clearin it up. I knew it went somethin like that. Now I gots it. LOL
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